I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

When did that actually happen? I remember a brief period in the 70s when people talked about not buying Japanese cars. But even then, people were buying Japanese cameras and clothes from wherever. And American cars were crappy.

My dad bought a fucking K-Car in 1980 or so under some misguided "buy American" phase.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

My dad bought a fucking K-Car in 1980 or so under some misguided "buy American" phase.

We had a '72 Ford Pinto. Between that and the Volvo station wagon where we rolled around in the back on road trips it's a miracle I survived childhood.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

well I was a consumer in the 70s and you were at your mommy's titty, so whatever. I have memories you've read articles. Plus I actually grew up working class.

We can't "buy American now for 2 reasons. Most people make less so they have to buy Costco discount stuff. No way you can sell stuff made for living wages to the big box. Second, I don't think you can buy A TV actually made here.

It should surprise no one that a 70+ year old technology (even with the updates) is no longer manufactured by high wage labor in a high wage country.

Our manufacturing jobs necessarily must come from innovation.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

It should surprise no one that a 70+ year old technology (even with the updates) is no longer manufactured by high wage labor in a high wage country.

Our manufacturing jobs necessarily must come from innovation.

Like Apple?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Like Apple?

Apple is a marketer, not an innovator.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Apple is a marketer, not an innovator.

Apple may have started that way but it changed your life, and innovated like mad the last 25 years.

Define innovation?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Apple may have started that way but it changed your life, and innovated like mad the last 25 years.

Define innovation?

Ooooh, I love this game. It's surely not a bunch of software nerds slinging code to sell products. And all the biotech people do is "discover" drugs, they don't actually create them. And it can't be people who build devices because that's very old economy. It's always what I do and never what the other person does. Drink!!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Ooooh, I love this game. It's surely not a bunch of software nerds slinging code to sell products. And all the biotech people do is "discover" drugs, they don't actually create them. And it can't be people who build devices because that's very old economy. It's always what I do and never what the other person does. Drink!!

I don't do biotech but it is severely innovative. In fact the last decade you see software (Apple is a products company that writes software- Microsoft is a software company) companies trying to erode IP and pharma/bio trying to strengthen it. I'm on team pharma/bio but it ain't bringing jobs back in any significant numbers.

[Hank Chinaski]

A long time ago I read an article about the guy who introduced Datsun (I think, could have been Toyota) to the US in the 60s. They were tin cans that did not start reliably. In Japan almost everyone took a train. Cars were for excursions on the weekends. If they did not start, ahhh, no big deal.

so now this guy was trying to sell this piss poor cars in the states to people who needed it to go every time they turned the key. He kept telling the home office that they needed to improve quality, but it took years before they listened. They had to approach US quality. Eventually they did. Then they decided to improve continuously. In 1970 I knew 100 people who worked for the big 3. Today I know 2.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Adder

It should surprise no one that a 70+ year old technology (even with the updates) is no longer manufactured by high wage labor in a high wage country.

Our manufacturing jobs necessarily must come from innovation.

How about no wage labor in a high wage country? http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...hoes-from-2017

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

Apple is a marketer, not an innovator.

So you switched from a BlackBerry to an iPhone because of the marketer, but you don't see meaningful product differences?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Cars were for excursions on the weekends. If they did not start, ahhh, no big deal.

My weekend excursions are much more fun than yours.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm on team pharma/bio but it ain't bringing jobs back in any significant numbers.

We're never going to have 100,000 in one plant building something out of metal again. But we may have 100 plants with 100 people each doing things like sewing artificial heart valves out of animal bits, assembling new medical devices (before it gets shipped abroad), etc.

Granted, its regulatory barriers that keeps some of that stuff here longer than it might otherwise, but nonetheless, we aren't going to keep the low-skill forever. That's not the way the world works.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Wait, so Ken Starr wouldn't have had a problem with Bill Clinton if he just played football?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

The total bankruptcy of the Sanders campaign can be seen in the idea that what they really want out of the Democratic Party isn't any kind of reform, but a scalp.