Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

And while we're speaking "anonymously," I think it's weird that I let you know I was going to be in town a (long) while back and invited you to meet up with me and a bunch of other people and you didn't even respond. If you had, you would have met a ton of diverse people (including attorneys at firms and in-house in MN) and you might have actually expanded your personal and professional network such that you wouldn't be looking for pathetic cred. I'm sure you were away or some shit, but that was strange.

TM

I'm just deeply antisocial, but you're 100% right.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

She made some amazing saves, first got tagged with a penalty kick, and almost got the second goal. Kids don't seem so "local" loyal today, at least within the country-

If I go see a Lakers game in Detroit I def see more purple and yellow than blue/red.

i could see a goalie wanting Netherlands to win in view of her.

Ah. I see.

I think she appreciates good goal-keeping whenever she sees it. But now that Wambach is retired, it's all about Rapinoe. (Our goalie is not that great.)

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

I'm just deeply antisocial, but you're 100% right.

So am I. But I faked being social with like 80% of the people who came by that night and there were maybe 3 dozen people.

I'd say, "Next time," but there won't be a next time.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

I just had a really tough conversation with my non-soccer playing daughter, who is 11 (the 9-yr old plays soccer).

"Daddy, the U.S. women's team is better than the men's team right?"

"Well, no. The men would beat them."

"No they wouldn't. Everyone says that the women are better than the men. Are you saying the women are bad?"

"No, of course not. They are unbelievable."

"So they would beat the men, right"?

ETA: Michael Bradley sucks

I think it's pretty cool that you even had to have that conversation.

I would always switch subjects and say, "The women's game is way better because they don't spend all their time flopping and begging for calls."

TM

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I'm just saying that it's cool that you guys both read the book and would hope that you would discuss the substance as opposed to arguing over some silly shit. Hell, an argument over the substance is preferable. Granted, I may have exhausted the topic on my own, but still.

TM

I mean, I don't really understand what Hank was saying in that exchange, but I don't think we really disagree.

One of the enlightening stories in the book was when and how she apologized to the web developer, starting with asking for permission to do so but also with recognizing how even she, who trains on this stuff for a living, messes up.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

I mean, I don't really understand what Hank was saying in that exchange, but I don't think we really disagree.

One of the enlightening stories in the book was when and how she apologized to the web developer, starting with asking for permission to do so but also with recognizing how even she, who trains on this stuff for a living, messes up.

My favorite chapter is "White women tears." That shit has been weaponized for centuries.

TM

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

My favorite chapter is "White women tears." That shit has been weaponized for centuries.

TM

Yeah, the weaponized part wasn't new to me, but it had never really occurred to me to take your tears elsewhere during discussion of trauma to black people/community.

ETA: Also, I chuckled about Bernie everytime she mentioned, "I marched in the 1960s."

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Yeah, the weaponized part wasn't new to me...

Me either. Black men (and even women) absolutely cannot get visibly angry anywhere near a white woman for fear of tears flowing and having to hear, "I'm feeling really uncomfortable right now." Everything stops and you are automatically a fucking evil pariah, no matter what the fuck she said or did.

I always knew this subconsciously (and obviously it's become a thing people are aware of recently), but explicitly tying it to white women's complicity with violence to black bodies throughout US history was something maybe I was trying to avoid realizing--most likely because my first wife is white and I probably tried to push those types of thoughts way down deep for so many years.*

TM

*tmi?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

I mean, I don't really understand what Hank was saying in that exchange, but I don't think we really disagree.

I was objecting to any implication that any of us "knew" all of that. No biggie.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

This one came out immediately after the game. Say what you will about Nike, they make good ads:

https://youtu.be/S29GZOR-k9U

Shit sneakers but great ads.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I don't want Sebby to read it. I used to, but based on the conversations I've had with him, it's pointless.

Sure. But is that what you're looking for?

And while we're speaking "anonymously," I think it's weird that I let you know I was going to be in town a (long) while back and invited you to meet up with me and a bunch of other people and you didn't even respond. If you had, you would have met a ton of diverse people (including attorneys at firms and in-house in MN) and you might have actually expanded your personal and professional network such that you wouldn't be looking for pathetic cred. I'm sure you were away or some shit, but that was strange.

TM

Too late. I’d already started. I’ve jumped around and won’t comment until finished except to say it might also be titled White Narcissism.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

On an individual basis, *anyone* who has any significant healthcare expenses is being subsidized by others who don't. That's what private insurance is, and that's what the ACA does. The number of people who can afford to pay for their coverage without being "subsidized" by their coverage is vanishingly small. So everyone, or almost everyone, is "subsidized." (When rich people are covered by their insurance, we acknowledge that their wealth gives them a moral claim to whatever they want, so we don't dwell on that.) The whole point of health insurance is to make this subsidy happen.

Undocumented immigrants work. That's why they want to be here. They make less money than most people, but they also use less healthcare.

Now, I understand that you have a standing objection to universal healthcare on the ground that 'we can't afford it' (not quoting you there, but I also don't think I'm misrepresenting your views). We actually can afford it, objectively, much as we can afford military spending in excess of the next several militaries cumulatively, or to put men on the moon, or to be fighting wars on mainland Asia for decades. 'We can't afford it' is not a statement of accounting fact, but a euphemism for 'that's not important to me.'

Saying that healthcare for immigrants will be "almost entirely subsidized" is the same sort of rhetorical. "Subsidized" is a great word because it rests on baseline assumptions about who deserves want. Immigrants are here, working. If your view is, they can pay taxes directly and drive economic activity that generates more taxes indirectly, and they don't deserve any benefit from government spending, then, yes, it follows that letting them participate in health insurance is a form of subsidy.

Maybe that's not what you meant. But you're still assuming that if the government spends money on immigrants, it's a subsidy, which is too say that immigrants pay taxes but shouldn't expect to get anything back. Would you ever say that Mississipians are subsidized by defense spending because they pay less in taxes but receive the same (or more) per capita benefits? The framing of the basec complaint -- "poor people are getting something they don't deserve" -- is fundamentally conservative.

This is the most tortured reasoning I’ve ever seen. It’s so flawed in so many ways, I just give up... this is a useless back and forth.

But I am a bit offended you think I’d stoop to a shit concept like “deserve.” William Munny’s response to Little Bill at the end of Unforgiven is my view on the breadth of its application in life, and what pleading for it more than often reaps.

ETA: Morrie in Goodfellas deserved his cut. And how many bankers deserved to be jailed for 2008 again?

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

And not just because I have a soccer-playing daughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOVk...chkhPFCqQbMZM4

TM

This content is better.

https://twitter.com/oliviagrillo/sta...40370506424323

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

But I am a bit offended you think I’d stoop to a shit concept like “deserve.”

Hey pal, no one forced you to use the word "subsidized".

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Too late. I’d already started. I’ve jumped around and won’t comment until finished except to say it might also be titled White Narcissism.

Have you every asked yourself why you so absolutely refuse to listen to literally anyone else?