Nutjobs Ranting About Politics. - Page 163

Not Me · 08-20-2004, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
You claim to be a woman in her late 20s with big fake hooters. What do you know from the 60's or early 70's?

S_A_M

I never said I was in my late 20's. And I never said mine were that big. Is that how old the rest of you are because if so, that explains alot. Like that Gatti wears clothes from the Gap.

I don't remember the 60's or early 70's. I don't remember the 40's, either, but I know about WWII. Geez, what are you going to tell me next, that I have to read a book to know what it says?

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand · 08-20-2004, 06:22 PM

Drudge is reporting that the Kerry campaign has filed an FEC complaint against the Swift Vets organization over their ads, alleging coordination with the Bush campaign.

And MoveOn filling the current several week gap with a barrage of ads in swing states while Kerry has no ads running isn't coordination?

I'm not so sure this is a smart move... these guys are getting more attention from the complaining about their ads than they are from spending $$$ on the ads.

Not Me · 08-20-2004, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
has deep dark secrets like once ordering a Big Mac at a Burger King (What arrogance! How can a person be so disconnected from the people!).

She didn't know what chili was and they ordered a catered meal from a yacht club to be served in the RV after they got out of camera range. Also, the Marines at Wendy's told him to fuck off when he went up to them. Gotta love that.

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Originally posted by baltassoc
Clearly you are too senile to remember the '80s and '90s. If Kerry had been from any other state, there is no way he would have been elected Senator.

Right, 'cuz California and Wisconsin were really pro war states.

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Originally posted by baltassoc
Look, agree with his stance on Vietnam or not, the only reason that stance is about "character" is because GOPundants say it is.

It is not the GOPundants who say it is. It is Vietnam vets who do. They hate his guts.

Not Me · 08-20-2004, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
I'm not so sure this is a smart move... these guys are getting more attention from the complaining about their ads than they are from spending $$$ on the ads.

The polls are showing that the more this is talked about, the more it hurts Kerry in the swing states.

What a brillant move. And you Dems want him for prez? Oh yeah, he is Anyone But Bush (the same candidate the muslim terrorists want elected).

sgtclub · 08-20-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
You do not recall the Office of the Special Prosecutor announcing that after 6 years and over $50 million, there was insufficient evidence to charge either of them with anything at all? I cannot think of anyone short of the tinfoil-hat-and-crystal crowd who had more incentive and resources to find it, and who could speak with more authority that there's no "there" there.

If you're still hanging on to this, do me a favor and let me know from your next meeting what the current price is for the di-lithium crystals, OK? They work pretty well at levelling out my coffee table.

Yes, but there was sufficient evidence to charge 14 (I think that;s the number) and convict people, including the former governor of Arkansas and the Web Hubble.

edited to add "and convict

bilmore · 08-20-2004, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
I'm not so sure this is a smart move... these guys are getting more attention from the complaining about their ads than they are from spending $$$ on the ads.

I read a poll today - don't remember where - that said that twice as many people had heard about the Swiftboaters' allegations through media coverage of the controversy than had actually seen the ad.

sgtclub · 08-20-2004, 06:38 PM

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...it_video2.html

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Ty, further to your pm . . .

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand · 08-20-2004, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I read a poll today - don't remember where - that said that twice as many people had heard about the Swiftboaters' allegations through media coverage of the controversy than had actually seen the ad.

The thing is, now it's guaranteed front page coverage due to the FEC filing. And today the group released a second ad which basically has veterans and former POWs criticizing Kerry's post-war testimony as betraying them. Hard to dispute the facts of that -- he said what he said in the public record and these men who felt betrayed by it are entitled to their opinions. Now this ad is guaranteed to get even more attention.

Gattigap · 08-20-2004, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Yes, but there was sufficient evidence to charge 14 (I think that;s the number) and convict people, including the former governor of Arkansas and the Web Hubble.

edited to add "and convict

Proving, apparently, that a 6 year investigation will uncover wrongoing by somebody.

About something.

In Arkansas.

Just not the investgation's original targets. Drat!

sgtclub · 08-20-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Proving, apparently, that a 6 year investigation will uncover wrongoing by somebody.

About something.

In Arkansas.

Just not the investgation's original targets. Drat!

Proving, that this was not a pipe dream of the right for political purposes.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-20-2004, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
The thing is, now it's guaranteed front page coverage due to the FEC filing. And today the group released a second ad which basically has veterans and former POWs criticizing Kerry's post-war testimony as betraying them. Hard to dispute the facts of that -- he said what he said in the public record and these men who felt betrayed by it are entitled to their opinions. Now this ad is guaranteed to get even more attention.

IMHO, Kerry's 1971 testimony is the real issue for these vets. The stuff about what happened in Vietnam (and Cambodia) is a load of crap, but what really burns them is that he spoke out against the war when he got back, and how he did it. It would be nice to have a real debate about that issue. There are people -- bilmore is one of them -- who think that we could have won the Vietnam War, but that domestic opposition from lefty protestors undermined our troops. (Shades of Weimar Germany, but I digress.) We've had a similar debate about Iraq in the past year -- apparently those of us who live in this democracy are supposed to suck it up and say nothing as our misguided leaders f*ck a war up. We'll have this debate again -- when Kerry wins the election, the neo-cons will pretend that Iraq went south when Bush lost the election and they weren't allowed to keep at it, and not before. As I say, it would be nice to have a real debate about these issues, because I think Kerry's side looks pretty good.

bilmore · 08-20-2004, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...it_video2.html

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Ty, further to your pm . . .

This is the part McCain REALLY didn't want them to get into.

Not Me · 08-20-2004, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
This is the part McCain REALLY didn't want them to get into.

Kerry wanted to make this election all about Vietnam because he can't stand on his Senate record (most liberal Senator) and so he could say GWB was AWOL while I was getting purple hearts. This may end up being a case of "don't wish too hard for what you want because you may get it."

Too drunk to fly planes in the national guard doesn't compare to having your treasonous activities showcased to our POWs.

Atticus Grinch · 08-20-2004, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Many young activists cut their teeth, and made their reps, on this exact same philosophy back then. The antiwar crowd was huge, and it ultimately won, and those pols who represented it are today's leaders on one side. I think he truly was anti-war, so I won't say he deliberately made this political calculation in order to become attractive, but everyone knew it wasn't a bad place to be.

Every political movement assumes history will judge it right. But it's an extremely risky bet for individuals who plan to have an actual career in mainstream politics during their lifetimes. In 1986, Randall Terry probably thought someday he'll be hailed as a hero, but if he had secretly confided to any thinking person in 1986 that that he wanted to be POTUS, they would have told him not to found Operation Rescue. He should, you know, work on the Hill, for Gramm or Helms --- work his way up from the inside.

Bottom line: joining the counterculture is a really shitty way to become POTUS. Which is why we're hearing more about what preceded Kerry joining VVAW (i.e., Yale & Viet Nam) than what he did after.

bilmore · 08-20-2004, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Every political movement assumes history will judge it right. But it's an extremely risky bet for individuals who plan to have an actual career in mainstream politics during their lifetimes.

This is confusing me. (As does much of life.) Do you mean, an antiwar position is risky in that sense, or ANY discrete position is risky, as it may not prevail?