Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Really?

Oh.

Shoot.

So ... nobody wants to talk about Wout Van Aert's premature exit from the Tour? I mean, this guy has SERIOUS skillz, and he crashes out in an ITT?

Take it to biketalkers. Hank is now on mothtalkers.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Start the impeachment process.

TM

Even if some Dems think that impeachment will be politically costly, I don't understand how they think doing nothing makes the issue go away. If you think it will be a net negative, you should be for getting it over with sooner rather than later, not leaving it to be an ongoing issue through next year's campaign.

Also, we're going to need to campaign against his corruption and criminality. We really shouldn't be leaving him with "if I'm so bad, why haven't you guys impeached me?" as an easy response.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Even if some Dems think that impeachment will be politically costly, I don't understand how they think doing nothing makes the issue go away. If you think it will be a net negative, you should be for getting it over with sooner rather than later, not leaving it to be an ongoing issue through next year's campaign.

Also, we're going to need to campaign against his corruption and criminality. We really shouldn't be leaving him with "if I'm so bad, why haven't you guys impeached me?" as an easy response.

Maybe they know something we don't? One thing pols are good at is keeping their jobs. A symbolic impeachment shot down in the Senate could be a Trump victory, just like Clinton "won" his.

If there is a real danger in losing the House by doing that, maybe they realize it isn't worth it? Without the House things would be fucked worse right now. And there is always the chance of taking the senate next year?

There is a good chance space-fuck gets voted out next year anyway- just needs to go- to me doesn't matter how.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Even if some Dems think that impeachment will be politically costly, I don't understand how they think doing nothing makes the issue go away. If you think it will be a net negative, you should be for getting it over with sooner rather than later, not leaving it to be an ongoing issue through next year's campaign.

Also, we're going to need to campaign against his corruption and criminality. We really shouldn't be leaving him with "if I'm so bad, why haven't you guys impeached me?" as an easy response.

Agree completely, although the universe of people who need to be (or who actually can be) convinced of his criminality has to be fairly small at this point.

It can't just be a political analysis--and I think Democrats are wrong on the political impact of impeachment hearings anyway. Signals to all future Presidents need to be sent that if you fuck around like this, you will be dragged.

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I spend most of my days litigating punctuation marks in old Japanese documents.

I spend my days in such a way that I think this is really cool.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Agree completely, although the universe of people who need to be (or who actually can be) convinced of his criminality has to be fairly small at this point.

It can't just be a political analysis--and I think Democrats are wrong on the political impact of impeachment hearings anyway. Signals to all future Presidents need to be sent that if you fuck around like this, you will be dragged.

TM

Put me down as ready for impeachment. That said, I'd like hearings to occur after labor day, when people are paying attention.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Put me down as ready for impeachment. That said, I'd like hearings to occur after labor day, when people are paying attention.

And be done by the end of the year.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

I haven't watched any of the Mueller testimony, but a liberal criminal defense trial attorney friend of mine posted this on Facebook. Thoughts?

LessinSaoPaulo

I find this take on Mueller persuasive:

“Even if some think Mueller has lost a step since he last appeared before Congress six years ago, he still looked a step or two ahead of most of his questioners on Wednesday. Most importantly, he appeared above the fray, cautious, and fair in the face of bitter partisan rancor. That is what we should expect from prosecutors, and it is the legacy that Mueller leaves behind.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...awesome-227478

Having seen and heard some more testimony, he’s being judged a bit unfairly. Imagine if you had to sit through that cavalcade of whores and morons slapping you with the dumbest rhetorical questioning.

We might consider giving him another medal. Few have faced so many idiots and not accidentally provided the desired soundbites. That he’s frustrated both the Rs and Ds indicates Mueller acted properly.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Even if some Dems think that impeachment will be politically costly, I don't understand how they think doing nothing makes the issue go away. If you think it will be a net negative, you should be for getting it over with sooner rather than later, not leaving it to be an ongoing issue through next year's campaign.

Also, we're going to need to campaign against his corruption and criminality. We really shouldn't be leaving him with "if I'm so bad, why haven't you guys impeached me?" as an easy response.

You need to Never Give Political Advice. This is insanely wrong.

Trump’s recklessness is a feature to populists, not a bug.* Don’t you get it? The Trump voters want an outlaw. So did the Bernie voters. They want to crash the system. It’s just like Brexit. Flagging Trump for obstruction and then losing on impeachment only alienates your party among the populists who might otherwise vote for Lunchbox Joe if he can sell them on the notion he’s the true hero of the forgotten man and woman.

Why do you think Warren’s getting so much traction? She’s another “hand grenade in the system” candidate, that’s why.

Impeachment makes the Ds look like a mix of political gamers and Javerts... Recipe for loss in 2020. Listen To Pelosi. Listen to her and never stop listening to her.

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* There’s also a strange romantic element at work. Crude as he is, Trump captures that deep seated American admiration for those who buck the system. Even while being a proponent of a new, very unfair and undemocratic system. Bernie has this same romantic element working for him — sort of a Bullworth effect.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

the populists who might otherwise vote for Lunchbox Joe if he can sell them on the notion he’s the true hero of the forgotten man and woman.

That Joe is very much the most establishment person running, and running that way, is strong reason to be skeptical of him in the general election.

Anyway, both the populists you're talking about and the less motivated to vote that Bernie expressly plays to aren't going to be convinced that you'll fight for them by running away from a fight. Capitulation isn't a strategy.

Why do you think Warren’s getting so much traction?

You mean the first, and strongest, candidate for impeachment?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

That Joe is very much the most establishment person running, and running that way, is strong reason to be skeptical of him in the general election.

Isn't he dead from the debate? Pretty clearly out of it mentally?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Isn't he dead from the debate? Pretty clearly out of it mentally?

I think Harris killed him, but he's still the polling leader.

[Hank Chinaski]

AAAARRRRGGGG

Lurking on a FB friend's page, she posted about some movie that summarized how the Russians changed the election with social media-

And a Green posted about how he couldn't vote for Hil so Jill Stein got his vote. then he started musing about the US politics generally, and how bad Trump voters are because they simply don't care about POC or foreigners.

And it occurred to me, voting third party is the very definition of privilege. This nut did as much harm as any Trump voter.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

AAAARRRRGGGG

Lurking on a FB friend's page, she posted about some movie that summarized how the Russians changed the election with social media-

And a Green posted about how he couldn't vote for Hil so Jill Stein got his vote. then he started musing about the US politics generally, and how bad Trump voters are because they simply don't care about POC or foreigners.

And it occurred to me, voting third party is the very definition of privilege. This nut did as much harm as any Trump voter.

Your argument seems to be, fuck the people who didn't vote for Hillary... they'd no reasonable basis to do that. Well, they'd say to you, what obligation did they have to vote for Hillary? Because you say so?

If third party voting is the definition of privilege, how do you explain so many Bernie followers doing it? Bernie's base was not the 1%. These were people without privilege saying, "If I'm offered more of the status quo, I think I'll just stay home."

And not all Trump voters caused harm. A lot of Trump voters got exactly what they wanted. How's that harm to them? Do you mean "harm to the country?" Well, who are you to say what's harm to the country? "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter," as the saying goes.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Your argument seems to be, fuck the people who didn't vote for Hillary... they'd no reasonable basis to do that. Well, they'd say to you, what obligation did they have to vote for Hillary? Because you say so?

If third party voting is the definition of privilege, how do you explain so many Bernie followers doing it? Bernie's base was not the 1%. These were people without privilege saying, "If I'm offered more of the status quo, I think I'll just stay home."

And not all Trump voters caused harm. A lot of Trump voters got exactly what they wanted. How's that harm to them? Do you mean "harm to the country?" Well, who are you to say what's harm to the country? "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter," as the saying goes.

REMINDER: you're fucked. and you fucked us. fuck you.