We are all Slave now.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

So his Weinstein's alleged forced oral sex on Argento (to which she has basically admitted she consented because he would have otherwise "crushed" her career) caused her to statutorily rape a boy actor 20 years her junior 20 years after the alleged Weinstein event? That is pretty tortured.

I would not be surprised to learn that when he was young some Rabbi had his way with young Harvey, too.

But I made no statement on causation, merely noted the very common correlation.

I find your above description interesting in the amount of equivocation on both counts - "alleged" and the parenthetical on the Weinstein/Argento incident, "statutory" modifying "rape" on the Argento/whatshisname incident. I have no argument with any of them, I just find it interesting that there is so much equivocation on two events where an older powerful show business player was forcing themselves on a younger aspiring actor. I might also note that there was more than twenty years between Weinstein and Argento. I think the equivocation comes because we know these acts are wrong, but the "forced consent" element blurs the categories and provides defenses, at least from a legal perspective.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I think ggg was making a joke? Am I becoming not bob?

no and yes.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I did not hear GGG say she exercised no free will.

Pretty sure Sebby can suggest a way to tell us exactly how responsible she was. Because science.

I actually think it may be overdetermined such that the percentages of responsibility we can assign will add up to more than 100%. Remember, some of the blame must rest on Weinstein's mother.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

So his Weinstein's alleged forced oral sex on Argento (to which she has basically admitted she consented because he would have otherwise "crushed" her career) caused her to statutorily rape a boy actor 20 years her junior 20 years after the alleged Weinstein event? That is pretty tortured.

Good luck going there...

Stop before you start. Nothing is “tortured” and you’re always wrong in the Bizarro Universe into which you’re stepping.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I did not hear GGG say she exercised no free will.

Pretty sure Sebby can suggest a way to tell us exactly how responsible she was. Because science.

I’ll leave it to you because, well, knows-what-should-and-should-not-be-discussed.

Sam Harris wrote a book on free will. It’s awful. Because he’s awful. Because he talked with people who say awful things. Awful, awful, awwwwwful!

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Am I becoming not bob?

Do you dare to eat a peach?

And re Asia, I kind of thought that what Rose McGowan said in the article that Less linked to made sense.

Anyhoo, carry on.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I actually think it may be overdetermined such that the percentages of responsibility we can assign will add up to more than 100%. Remember, some of the blame must rest on Weinstein's mother.

People forget this, but responsibility for civil antitrust actions is often so overdetermined that you end up with 300% blame.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Sam Harris wrote a book on free will.

Is it a must-read?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

People forget this, but responsibility for civil antitrust actions is often so overdetermined that you end up with 300% blame.

plus attorney's fees.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Is it a must-read?

I'd recommend Augustine on Free Will, especially his letters to Pelagius.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I'd recommend Augustine on Free Will, especially his letters to Pelagius.

Of course -- that's excellent. I am currently reading [something even wonkier, erudite and abstruse].

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Is it a must-read?

I want to top this, but cannot. Well done, sir.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

Do you dare to eat a peach?

I would if I could afford it. But I only have one more silver dollar.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I'd recommend Augustine on Free Will, especially his letters to Pelagius.

Lee and Peart are also excellent on it.

[Hank Chinaski]

just saying, Less and i really made an effort today to fix this page. you guys need to get back to first intentions over here.