I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

So the recounts will cost millions? Wouldn't the money be better kept as a legal fund for immigrants or to fight LGBT issues? Or will there likely be lots of money for that?

If I could tell fools how to spend their money I'd be very rich indeed.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

If I could tell fools how to spend their money I'd be very rich indeed.

I assume you mean your soul would be rich after you had the fools spend their cash on the immigrant legal defense fund and other righteous causes. Good for you, man, I would just have the fools buy me scotch. One aspect of the Daily Dose I have enjoyed is exploring all sorts of obscure old funk I had never heard before, or only heard as samples in later hip hop songs. Here's a nice weird old instrumental with a kicking bass line, great drum licks, some tasty horns, and a psychedelic break. The Sad Chicken by Leroy & the Drivers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHHZkzbP6Y

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I assume you mean your soul would be rich after you had the fools spend their cash on the immigrant legal defense fund and other righteous causes. Good for you, man, I would just have the fools buy me scotch. One aspect of the Daily Dose I have enjoyed is exploring all sorts of obscure old funk I had never heard before, or only heard as samples in later hip hop songs. Here's a nice weird old instrumental with a kicking bass line, great drum licks, some tasty horns, and a psychedelic break. The Sad Chicken by Leroy & the Drivers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHHZkzbP6Y

$5 million on scotch would be hard to do. Unless...maybe Senby can tell us a really expensive rare one?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

$5 million on scotch would be hard to do. Unless...maybe Senby can tell us a really expensive rare one?

Isabella's Islay.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I was trying to emphasize my view that the pure politics and classism are the most significant of the three elements you cite above. I'm exposed to many flyoverland types on a regular basis and it's rare to hear pure hatred for non-whites. The gripes tend to focus most on dumb beliefs that immigrants are taking jobs, and getting disproportionate benefits.

I'm not saying true white supremacists aren't part of the mix. Thankfully, I'm not exposed to much of that. The racism I see is the polite and hidden forms of it.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I'll admit, I've had a problem with the concept of institutional racism. I've applied a more rigid definition that if a thing isn't racist by design and intent, it isn't racist.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I think there's an argument of degree here. It needs to be acknowledged, as you did above, that there are three - probably actually more - elements of racism at work in voter suppression. There's classism, racial hatred, and pure politics behind it. Yes, the impact is racist. But I think one of the things that causes causes white resistance to a discussion of voter suppression is that when people bluntly allege "racism," those accusers don't explain it as you have here. "Racist impact" or "result" might be the best way to put it.

Okay, I think we've taken this conversation as far as we can. I appreciate the back-and-forth.

I will say this: It is absolutely infuriating that it is up to minorities to figure out the best way to point out racist shit they experience to fragile white people. White people do racist shit (whether it's intentionally racist or whether it is the more "polite" type of racism--whatever that means) that results in serious problems and minorities have to massage the message in such a way that white people don't feel like they're being accused of being racist for them to even listen. That shit is absolutely infuriating. Especially when we are all trying to figure out the best way to tackle the problems facing uneducated, ignorant, white people who live in areas of the country with dying industries. We need to understand them and cater to them and help them, while they point at blacks and Mexicans and Muslims and gays and accuse us of causing their problems.

TM

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Okay, I think we've taken this conversation as far as we can. I appreciate the back-and-forth.

I will say this: It is absolutely infuriating that it is up to minorities to figure out the best way to point out racist shit they experience to fragile white people. White people do racist shit (whether it's intentionally racist or whether it is the more "polite" type of racism--whatever that means) that results in serious problems and minorities have to massage the message in such a way that white people don't feel like they're being accused of being racist for them to even listen. That shit is absolutely infuriating. Especially when we are all trying to figure out the best way to tackle the problems facing uneducated, ignorant, white people who live in areas of the country with dying industries. We need to understand them and cater to them and help them, while they point at blacks and Mexicans and Muslims and gays and accuse us of causing their problems.

TM

Listen, dude, this type of racism-shaming is totally counter-productive. If you want to raise these issues in a way that makes it clear that, although some forms of racist may exist, I personally am in no way a racist and do not engage in any actions that could even potentially be considered racist, I might be willing to listen. I'm totally open to talking about how OTHER white people might be racist. But all this angry black man stuff that could conceivably suggest that I share some responsibility for racism that exists in the world just makes me shut down. Stop being such a bully and maybe we can have a conversation.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I will say this: It is absolutely infuriating that it is up to minorities to figure out the best way to point out racist shit they experience to fragile white people. White people do racist shit (whether it's intentionally racist or whether it is the more "polite" type of racism--whatever that means) that results in serious problems and minorities have to massage the message in such a way that white people don't feel like they're being accused of being racist for them to even listen. That shit is absolutely infuriating. Especially when we are all trying to figure out the best way to tackle the problems facing uneducated, ignorant, white people who live in areas of the country with dying industries. We need to understand them and cater to them and help them, while they point at blacks and Mexicans and Muslims and gays and accuse us causing their problems.

TM

Some of this is about education and culture. High school history and literature classes that focus on white men as the normative, that view diversity as a paste-on afterthought instead of a fundamental truth. Movies and television that have only male heroes, and that depict every lead as white, even in stories coming out of radically different cultures.

Every idiot who insists Santa is white needs to learn that Christ spoken a Afro-Asiatic language and likely had a beautiful bronze sheen to his skin, and have a little tint applied to the images they worship.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Listen, dude, this type of racism-shaming is totally counter-productive. If you want to raise these issues in a way that makes it clear that, although some forms of racist may exist, I personally am in no way a racist and do not engage in any actions that could even potentially be considered racist, I might be willing to listen. I'm totally open to talking about how OTHER white people might be racist. But all this angry black man stuff that could conceivably suggest that I share some responsibility for racism that exists in the world just makes me shut down. Stop being such a bully and maybe we can have a conversation.

I apologize. Please accept this as a peace offering.



TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Listen, dude, this type of racism-shaming is totally counter-productive. If you want to raise these issues in a way that makes it clear that, although some forms of racist may exist, I personally am in no way a racist and do not engage in any actions that could even potentially be considered racist, I might be willing to listen. I'm totally open to talking about how OTHER white people might be racist. But all this angry black man stuff that could conceivably suggest that I share some responsibility for racism that exists in the world just makes me shut down. Stop being such a bully and maybe we can have a conversation.

So you're one of those white men angry that black people are angry?

Please don't shoot anyone.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I apologize. Please accept this as a peace offering.



TM

I got served that as a snack on a flight from London to Boston Sunday. WTF?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I apologize. Please accept this as a peace offering.



TM

Mmmm, if there is some aioli on there, apology accepted! White people like aioli almost as much as they dislike having their self-esteem hurt by black anger. It's like a classy mayo!

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I apologize. Please accept this as a peace offering.



TM

Unpeeled cucumber?? Too spicy for me, but thanks for the gesture.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Unpeeled cucumber?? Too spicy for me, but thanks for the gesture.

Plus, I don't think those are English. Looks more like those swarthy Mediterranean cukes.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

Unpeeled cucumber?? Too spicy for me, but thanks for the gesture.

For the full experience, they should be de-seeded too.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

I wonder when The Swamp is going to wake up and realize that Hospitals are one of the largest employers in most districts.