Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Adder

I both don't think it matters that we have a "legitimate" champion

So you're cool with the Supreme Court deciding elections, too?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

I wonder if any of these girls will mind if I tag them, pi!

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

But you're describing a system that hasn't existed for years, if ever. In the 1980s, most of the bowls matched the best team in a conference against either the best team in another conference, the best team not in a conference with a bowl team, or the best available "independent" team (of which there were many more). And they all stumbled all over each other fighting for those few good teams before the season was over. So teams would have bowls lined up before playing their last two or three games.

Then the Bowl Alliance came along in the 1990s, where you still had conference tie ins, but a more orderly selection process. the order was the bowl with the highest rated team tied to it got to pick first among the at large teams, and so forth. If 1 and 2 were both tied in, then #2 could play #1.

Then the BCS.

So at no time in the last 30 years have the bowls been able to pick matchups based on the most fan interest or tv. Instead, they've been able to pick matchup with significant constraints, and only then maximizing the attractiveness of the matchup. So if you want me to take the comparison further, that's fine, but what it will involve is the champion of the NFC East automatically playing the champion of the AFC west, unless the champion of the AFC east is #1 and the champion of the NFC east is #2, in which case, NFCE plays AFCE.

If you really believe the old system was more profitable than the new system, then why have they kept changing the criteria to allow more freedom for matchups and fewer bowl tie ins? Perhaps because that's more profitable? If so, then saying the old system was better has no legs to stand on. A playoff is just one (or two) steps further--get the best matchups except in a playoff.

Dude. You are making this a lot harder than it is. You are saying that a playoff system is going to be more profitable. I'm saying that is an assumption because there are factors that cut both ways, one of which is that the Gator bowl can pass over Minnesota to select Wisconsin even if Minnesota had a better record, because Wisconsin will sell more tickets and draw more viewers.

Not to mention is the playoffs were certain to be more profitable, we would already have a playoff (ignoring that distribution issue).

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

So you're cool with the Supreme Court deciding elections, too?

If I thought elections didn't matter, yes.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Adder

Not to mention is the playoffs were certain to be more profitable, we would already have a playoff (ignoring that distribution issue).

A monopoly is more profitable . . . for the monopoly.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Adder

the Gator bowl can pass over Minnesota to select Wisconsin even if Minnesota had a better record, because Wisconsin will sell more tickets and draw more viewers.

What does the Gator bowl have to do with this? Are they one of the playoff bowls? If they aren't, then it's irrelevant, because they would still be able to pick any two teams, so long as they aren't in the playoff. If they are one of the playoff bowls, I cannot see any scenario where they do not come out with more money putting any two of the top 8 teams in a game than they do currently.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

I think there are currently 34 bowl games. So that leaves 52 team who might care.

And a system with 34 bowl games (including the KFC Sadness Bowl between two teams whose players suck so much they should be studying because of their shitty futures instead) isn't stupid?*

Originally Posted by Adder

That is our fundamental disagreement. I both don't think it matters that we have a "legitimate" champion and don't think that expanding to an 8 game playoff makes it much more legitimate.

But you haven't said why, other than Boise State who is undefeated because of their unfair shit schedule can't prove that they actually do suck before they're excluded from being the first team eliminated.

Originally Posted by Adder

16 probably does, but I just don't see the value in messing with it (including the BCS).

Because the point of sports is competition and everyone wants to know who is the best? And having a championship where coaches think one team is the best and reporters think another team is the best is recockulous. And because playoffs are exciting, especially when they are single elimination.

Also, they would bring more fans (like ncs) to college football. Currently, most of my friends couldn't possibly care less about college football and only watch when #1 plays #2. A playoff system would bring excitement for every round and new fans, while maintaining the same number of old fans.

TM

*eta: What [do any of those other bowls you mentioned] have to do with this? Are they one of the playoff bowls? If they aren't, then it's irrelevant, because they would still be able to pick any two teams, so long as they aren't in the playoff. If they are one of the playoff bowls, I cannot see any scenario where they do not come out with more money putting any two of the top 8 teams in a game than they do currently. [Said much better by burger than anything I could come up with.] [[For Fringey!!]]

[notcasesensitive]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

And a system with 34 bowl games (including the KFC Sadness Bowl between two teams whose players suck so much they should be studying because of their shitty futures instead) isn't stupid?*

But you haven't said why, other than Boise State who is undefeated because of their unfair shit schedule can't prove that they actually do suck before they're excluded from being the first team eliminated.

Because the point of sports is competition and everyone wants to know who is the best? And having a championship where coaches think one team is the best and reporters think another team is the best is recockulous. And because playoffs are exciting, especially when they are single elimination.

Also, they would bring more fans (like ncs) to college football. Currently, most of my friends couldn't possibly care less about college football and only watch when #1 plays #2. A playoff system would bring excitement for every round and new fans, while maintaining the same number of old fans.

TM

eta: What [do any of those other bowls you mentioned] have to do with this? Are they one of the playoff bowls? If they aren't, then it's irrelevant, because they would still be able to pick any two teams, so long as they aren't in the playoff. If they are one of the playoff bowls, I cannot see any scenario where they do not come out with more money putting any two of the top 8 teams in a game than they do currently. [Said much better by burger than anything I could come up with.]

On behalf of fringey, myself and dangling-asterisk-haters everywhere, I implore you to give that asterisk a related note. I probably won't read it, but I'll feel better knowing it is there.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Doesn't someone have a boob gif or something?

TM

[Penske_Account]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Enough with the BCS. I thought we stopped at "intellectual masturbation"?

Doesn't someone have a boob gif or something?

My office is a ghosttown due to the general wussiness of the native populace and the current dusting of snow, so, I am taking advantage of the ability to surf porn without interuptions, although anything I could post would probably be NSFW.

Sorry.

[Penske_Account]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

ah, but according to dtb I date realdolls, not escorts. fwiw realdolls don't call the police, nor do they call their owners weird, even though every owner is.

True story,

Back in the summer of 2000 I got invited to a bachelor party in Tahoe. I had some vacation time built up, so I decide to roadtrip it rather than fly. Take a nice drive down the Oregon coast. Grab some Rogue ales, the redwoods, blahbity, blahbity.

The party was for one of my boys from the Chi and all of the guests, other than me and one "other" were flying in from the midwest and other western locales. The "other" was one of our posse from the Chi who had moved to Silivalley, hit it hard with a dot.com and retired at 35. The guy had madd banck to burn. The party was being hosted at his vacation house at the south end of Tahoe. On the lake. The bachelor's fiance was pretty strict, no porn, no nude dancers, strippers etc. and put the fear of the bigfbadbabyJesus in him, so we all were aware that it was going to be a tame party, at least when he was there (one night half the guys took the bachelor to reno and the rest of us stayed back and hosted a couple of 18 yo strippers, but i digress....).

Eitherwhichway, there was going to be booze, so that was something.

Anyhoo, in order to liven things up but stay within the bachelor's constraints, the dot.com dude bought 4 RealDolls, a blonde, brunette, redhead, and one with a shaved/bald head (fyi, the drapes matched the curtains). It was sort of joke but also a way to have some nudidity, albeit faux. At the end of the weekend dot.com said he had to dispose of the Dolls, as his wife was coming out to the house the next week with her yoga group. Seeing an opportunity, I said, if he didn't mind, I coud fit a couple in my drop top for the ride home, and as a novelty I wouldn't mind taking them off his hand (for no cost, that's how I roll).

He agreed, and I was on my way. anyhoo, long story short, after a few months my then GF tired of the FFMFs and threw down an ultimatum, the Dolls or her. While the Dolls weren't bad, they are at best, like stevia to real sugar. I made a midnight run to the Salvation Army and dropped them in the hopper (each with a brand new sundress from Target).

Hopefully that debunks your every owner is weird generalization.......

[Penske_Account]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

TM

Do I see nip? is that sfw?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Penske_Account

True story,

Back in the summer of 2000 I got invited to a bachelor party in Tahoe. I had some vacation time built up, so I decide to roadtrip it rather than fly. Take a nice drive down the Oregon coast. Grab some Rogue ales, the redwoods, blahbity, blahbity.

The party was for one of my boys from the Chi and all of the guests, other than me and one "other" were flying in from the midwest and other western locales. The "other" was one of our posse from the Chi who had moved to Silivalley, hit it hard with a dot.com and retired at 35. The guy had madd banck to burn. The party was being hosted at his vacation house at the south end of Tahoe. On the lake. The bachelor's fiance was pretty strict, no porn, no nude dancers, strippers etc. and put the fear of the bigfbadbabyJesus in him, so we all were aware that it was going to be a tame party, at least when he was there (one night half the guys took the bachelor to reno and the rest of us stayed back and hosted a couple of 18 yo strippers, but i digress....).

Eitherwhichway, there was going to be booze, so that was something.

Anyhoo, in order to liven things up but stay within the bachelor's constraints, the dot.com dude bought 4 RealDolls, a blonde, brunette, redhead, and one with a shaved/bald head (fyi, the drapes matched the curtains). It was sort of joke but also a way to have some nudidity, albeit faux. At the end of the weekend dot.com said he had to dispose of the Dolls, as his wife was coming out to the house the next week with her yoga group. Seeing an opportunity, I said, if he didn't mind, I coud fit a couple in my drop top for the ride home, and as a novelty I wouldn't mind taking them off his hand (for no cost, that's how I roll).

He agreed, and I was on my way. anyhoo, long story short, after a few months my then GF tired of the FFMFs and threw down an ultimatum, the Dolls or her. While the Dolls weren't bad, they are at best, like stevia to real sugar. I made a midnight run to the Salvation Army and dropped them in the hopper (each with a brand new sundress from Target).

Hopefully that debunks your every owner is weird generalization.......

Tell us about the part where the three of you got busted for using the HOV lane on the way home.

[Penske_Account]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Tell us about the part where the three of you got busted for using the HOV lane on the way home.

The Redhead "talked" the cop out of ticketing me (did I tell you about this before?)

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive

On behalf of fringey, myself and dangling-asterisk-haters everywhere, I implore you to give that asterisk a related note. I probably won't read it, but I'll feel better knowing it is there.

Speaking of Fringey...?