The babyjesuschristsuperstar on Board: filling the moral void of Clinton’s legacy

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
doesn't race have to have some immutable characteristic about it? Isn't religion a choice? (except of course for the radical-moderate Islamic religion, the adherents of which do not want to give the rest of us a choice, other than Allah or death)

Well, take all this back to "I don't like Le Pen." He's written some things that can be taken very badly, if you read them as an attack on a race. But, if adherents of a religion of hate are statistically from one race, isn't it cheating to critique him for racism when he's really speaking of the distasteful characteristics brought on by the religion?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by bilmore
Well, take all this back to "I don't like Le Pen." He's written some things that can be taken very badly, if you read them as an attack on a race. But, if adherents of a religion of hate are statistically from one race, isn't it cheating to critique him for racism when he's really speaking of the distasteful characteristics brought on by the religion?

I suppose so, but I think you are mis-assessing my criteria for what would make a French leader I would like. At a starting point, it would be one who would lead the country such that it was a worthwhile ally of the US. To my assessment, Le Pen probably fails on that point alone so I am not sure I need to parse whether or not he is a racist as opposed to a run of the mill anti-religionite. Also, i doubt his hygiene is very developed, which is just another one of those odious traits of the Frenchies.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I suppose so, but I think you are mis-assessing my criteria for what would make a French leader I would like.

they're not gonna elect an American.

At a starting point, it would be one who would lead the country such that it was a worthwhile ally of the US. To my assessment, Le Pen probably fails on that point alone so I am not sure I need to parse whether or not he is a racist as opposed to a run of the mill anti-religionite.

I could care less if said leader was anti-religious or not. I would settle for honourable. An honourable leader of France, even were he completely opposed to our foreign policy, would be wonderful. We would know where he stood, we could use logic to persuade him, and he would likely support us in our basic premises anyway.

(Obviously, "he" is short for "he or she." Still love Margaret)

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by bilmore
they're not gonna elect an American.

I could care less if said leader was anti-religious or not. I would settle for honourable. An honourable leader of France, even were he completely opposed to our foreign policy, would be wonderful. We would know where he stood, we could use logic to persuade him, and he would likely support us in our basic premises anyway.

(Obviously, "he" is short for "he or she." Still love Margaret)

I think the bottom line is this:

the french suck. And they smell badly. Can we agree on these two self-evident truths and move on?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
You're alive! I was worried that you were in an alley somewhere, unconscious after spending two days and nights eviscertating the memory of the special election debacle with a bottle Patron in one hand and a bible in the other in some dive bar on Camino Real.

Are you still taking Ah-nold's calls?

You are not far off. Although 73 failed (parental notification for teen abortions) which was the only bright spot. I just can't believe the redistricting initiative failed. You know that since Delay, Waxman and Pelosi were against it, it had to be good.

Unions suck. 40 million spent to keep Gerrymandering, bad teachers and bloated budgets.

Go figure. I now have a new mission in life. Destroying unions.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by bilmore
Well, take all this back to "I don't like Le Pen." He's written some things that can be taken very badly, if you read them as an attack on a race. But, if adherents of a religion of hate are statistically from one race, isn't it cheating to critique him for racism when he's really speaking of the distasteful characteristics brought on by the religion?

All I know is Le Pen has threatened to scupper the new WTO deal solely over the European CAP. The man is a pig.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think the bottom line is this:

the french suck. And they smell badly. Can we agree on these two self-evident truths and move on?

yes

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think the bottom line is this:

the french suck. And they smell badly. Can we agree on these two self-evident truths and move on?

I don't have a problem with this on general principle. The idiotic freedom fries thing was very conflicting for liberal fracophobes.

My poor father, who has been railing against the French for 47 years, even went so far as to step foot into Paris (which is admittedly not a bad place to step foot) in an attempt to reassess his opinion on the French (and their wine and their women and their food and their art). He did say that the taxi cab driver was marginally nicer than the last time he'd been to the City of Lights. But the smell had certainly not improved.

The food was reportedly good. As were the wine and the women and the art.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think the bottom line is this:

the french suck. And they smell badly. Can we agree on these two self-evident truths and move on?

No. They more lick than suck, and the younger set have discovered deodorant and regular showering.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by bilmore
they're not gonna elect an American.

I could care less if said leader was anti-religious or not. I would settle for honourable. An honourable leader of France, even were he completely opposed to our foreign policy, would be wonderful. We would know where he stood, we could use logic to persuade him, and he would likely support us in our basic premises anyway.

While you're shopping for one for France, see if they have an extra we could buy cheap...

I agree the French are chickenshit fair weather friends with no honour.

But Honour is not merely appearing to be honorable. Its not merely saying you're for God, Mom and Apple Pie and get misty when you hear the Star Spangled Banner. Its not just crafting a public image of being resolute, decisive and less movable than a face on Rushmore. Its not Karl Rove spinning you as The Everyman who gets behind Jesus Lovin Folks.

Honor is not lying. Honor is telling the country the reality of your policies, instead of naming them with monikers which imply they help people they acctually hurt. Honor is having the balls to stand up and say "I stand for rolling back some of the New Deal and making people more accountable for themselves instead of relying on govt to save them" and letting people vote on that simple principle - and losing if the populous doesn't agree. Honor is being transparant about your agenda.

Bush is not honorable. He just plays at that on television. At least Chirac is a smarmy liar to your face.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
yes

3!

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I don't have a problem with this on general principle. The idiotic freedom fries thing was very conflicting for liberal fracophobes.

My poor father, who has been railing against the French for 47 years, even went so far as to step foot into Paris (which is admittedly not a bad place to step foot) in an attempt to reassess his opinion on the French (and their wine and their women and their food and their art). He did say that the taxi cab driver was marginally nicer than the last time he'd been to the City of Lights. But the smell had certainly not improved.

The food was reportedly good. As were the wine and the women and the art.

Exactly, but most if not all of those items can be obtained in general commerce, with a hygiene upgrade. It's the beauty of the market.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Bush is not honorable.

disagree. The whole "Bush lied" bullshit is what's not honorable. Want to re-hash the entire conversation? Go read Podhoretz this week. I don't have the energy to fight the "if we say it enough times, people will believe it" bullshit.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by nononono
No. They more lick than suck

this is not your best work. and you know I say that as someone who loves you. Platonically.

Originally posted by nononono
the younger set have discovered deodorant and regular showering.

Cite please?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
While you're shopping for one for France, see if they have an extra we could buy cheap...

I agree the French are chickenshit fair weather friends with no honour.

But Honour is not merely appearing to be honorable. Its not merely saying you're for God, Mom and Apple Pie and get misty when you hear the Star Spangled Banner. Its not just crafting a public image of being resolute, decisive and less movable than a face on Rushmore. Its not Karl Rove spinning you as The Everyman who gets behind Jesus Lovin Folks.

Honor is not lying. Honor is telling the country the reality of your policies, instead of naming them with monikers which imply they help people they acctually hurt. Honor is having the balls to stand up and say "I stand for rolling back some of the New Deal and making people more accountable for themselves instead of relying on govt to save them" and letting people vote on that simple principle - and losing if the populous doesn't agree. Honor is being transparant about your agenda.

Bush is not honorable. He just plays at that on television. At least Chirac is a smarmy liar to your face.

I will bet you Bush's hygiene is fairly highly developed. Spanky?