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01-13-2006, 02:56 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I have a friend who is a kindergarten teacher, and another one who is a construction worker, and another one who is an Indian Chief, and they all say the same thing. Oh, and people who work on space technology stuff, and a meteorologist.
But they probably aren't as qualified to comment on this atmospheric stuff as a geologist.
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When the guy was a Phd candidate in radioactive geology at Stanford my parents rented one of their apartments to him. This was when I was in elementary school. He now works or the department of energy and his job is try and turn all radioactive material (which is everything you can imagine because almost everything you can imagine from socks to diesal trucks have been contaminated) into glass. I guess when stuff is in glass form it is less likely to leak and contaminate ground water.
He has no family so he vists my parents quite a lot. Since his entire job is focused on finding ways to store radioactive material in the safest possible way, he has been around people that have looked into the "space option". In fact every time I have been around the guy and he tells someone what he does for a living, without fail, someone will ask him "why don't you just blast it off into space". Considering that he has been asked that question a thousand times, and since such an option would solve the problem of his lifes work, I think he is pretty qualified to answer the question, even though he is not a rocket scientist nor a climatologist.
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01-13-2006, 03:01 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by Spanky
When the guy was a Phd candidate in radioactive geology at Stanford my parents rented one of their apartments to him. This was when I was in elementary school. He now works or the department of energy and his job is try and turn all radioactive material (which is everything you can imagine because almost everything you can imagine from socks to diesal trucks have been contaminated) into glass. I guess when stuff is in glass form it is less likely to leak and contaminate ground water.
He has no family so he vists my parents quite a lot. Since his entire job is focused on finding ways to store radioactive material in the safest possible way, he has been around people that have looked into the "space option". In fact every time I have been around the guy and he tells someone what he does for a living, without fail, someone will ask him "why don't you just blast it off into space". Considering that he has been asked that question a thousand times, and since such an option would solve the problem of his lifes work, I think he is pretty qualified to answer the question, even though he is not a rocket scientist nor a climatologist.
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Ah. You just said geologist. It kind of makes sense now. Well, and that several people pointed out the whole blowing up into the atmosphere thing, and really if you think of Challenger and the dealybopper that blew up over Texas and scattered large (not capable of being airborne on a breeze) pieces over a very large area, it's just common sense.
I still think my meteorologist kicks your geologist's ass.
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01-13-2006, 03:02 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Ah. You just said geologist. It kind of makes sense now. Well, and that several people pointed out the whole blowing up into the atmosphere thing, and really if you think of Challenger and the dealybopper that blew up over Texas and scattered large (not capable of being airborne on a breeze) pieces over a very large area, it's just common sense.
I still think my meteorologist kicks your geologist's ass.
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you're not a baker, yet I trust you for donut shop recommendations.
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01-13-2006, 03:02 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Ah. You just said geologist. It kind of makes sense now. Well, and that several people pointed out the whole blowing up into the atmosphere thing, and really if you think of Challenger and the dealybopper that blew up over Texas and scattered large (not capable of being airborne on a breeze) pieces over a very large area, it's just common sense.
I still think my meteorologist kicks your geologist's ass.
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I think his geologist is just fucking with him.
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01-13-2006, 03:05 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I think his geologist is just fucking with him.
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What is weird about this guy is that is job is located somewhere in Washington D.C. You would think that with all the radioactive material he is playing with that they would want to put him somewhere near Elko Nevada. Go figure.
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01-13-2006, 03:15 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I still think my meteorologist kicks your geologist's ass.
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Most meteorologists are just pretty faces.
Of course, spanky's geologist's nuts stopped function shortly after taking his job.
So there you are.
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01-13-2006, 03:27 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I think his geologist is just fucking with him.
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My grandmother's oncologist is always doing that.
"Its a recurrence...
of good news!!!!! She's fine. See you again in half a year..."
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01-13-2006, 03:30 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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In Jarreds book Collapse he talks about how in New Guinea, Chevron was so environmentally conscious in their oil drilling their that they practically left the area they used for such drilling better than when they found it. He points out that with oil drilling, and unliked strip mining, you just need to make a few tiny holes to get all the oil underground. If you are careful the enviornmental impact could be minimal.
So why don't we let Chevron do the drilling in ANWAR.
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I'm pretty sure that for every feel good about the environment story that one of the oil companies puts out, there is a look at how much this company fucked up our air/soil/water story. There are residents here in Houston's Kennedy Heights that aren't really predisposed to trust Chevron on environmental issues.
One of the oil companies that drilled on my family's ranch didn't clean up one of the tanks after it hit a dry hole. Killed a lot of the cattle that later on drank from that tank. Oil company reimbursed us and helped with the cleanup later on, but it took a long, long time before we were able to use that part of the property again.
That said, if you write the lease right, you can make sure that they reimburse for fuckups with the property. My parents used to make them reimburse the ranch for every single tree that was knocked down by the oil company. The amount of reimbursement depended on the diameter of the trunk at the base and trees over a certain diameter were absolutely not to be touched. Gave the oil companies an incentive not to cut down trees or go through scrub brush when they were building their roads and placing the tanks.
Maybe if the environmentalists were part of the lease writing process, to ensure minimal impact on the land and severe, severe penalties for fucking up things like migration routes and regional temperatures and stuff like that, drilling at ANWAR would be more palitable.
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01-13-2006, 03:38 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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I'm pretty sure that for every feel good about the environment story that one of the oil companies puts out, there is a look at how much this company fucked up our air/soil/water story. There are residents here in Houston's Kennedy Heights that aren't really predisposed to trust Chevron on environmental issues.
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Maybe if the environmentalists were part of the lease writing process, to ensure minimal impact on the land and severe, severe penalties for fucking up things like migration routes and regional temperatures and stuff like that, drilling at ANWAR would be more palitable.
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The PR pieces are absurd. Like we'd ever believe a soulless corp gives a fuck about the community. If laws didn't prevent it, they'd all have child slaves perform their labor. A corp is about profit, and makes an ass of itself by pretending to altruism. They ought to just be forthright and say "We at Chevron know we're damaging the land, so we try our best to keep the damage minimal and repair it when we're done."
Regarding allowing enviros to participate in writing leases, that just ain't going to work, for innumerable reasons I'm sure you know.
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01-13-2006, 03:52 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
They ought to just be forthright and say "We at Chevron know we're damaging the land, so we try our best to keep the damage minimal and repair it when we're done."
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Sometimes they say just that, but I don't necessarily think that that is any more honest than saying "we came, we did stuff, we left it better off."
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01-13-2006, 04:14 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Maybe if the environmentalists were part of the lease writing process, to ensure minimal impact on the land and severe, severe penalties for fucking up things like migration routes and regional temperatures and stuff like that, drilling at ANWAR would be more palitable.
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Someone beat you to that idea:
Audubon allows drilling on its land
Of course, that author would make the enviros put their money where their mouth is by buying the leases.
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01-13-2006, 04:26 PM
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Anyone ever seen Bilmore in daylight?
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"I'm a Satanist who doesn't hate Jesus," Sharkey told Reuters. "I just hate God the Father."
However, he claims to respect all religions and if elected, will post "everything from the Ten Commandments to the Wicca Reed" in government buildings.
Sharkey also pledged to execute convicted murders and child molesters personally by impaling them on a wooden pole outside the state capitol.
Sharkey told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that he's a vampire "just like you see in the movies and TV."
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01-13-2006, 04:27 PM
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deficit prediction gamemanship
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I tip my hat now, Ty. You were right. These Bush people are evil.
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I don't believe I said this was evil. I said it was politically skillful. For some reason, Spanky reacted as if I'd accused Bush of clubbing baby seals with Dick Cheney's beliefs about executive privilege.
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01-13-2006, 04:32 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Isn’t the specter of running out of oil the greatest catalyst for production of alternative fuel sources?
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Yep. Check out Wired magazine's cover story from last month, Why $5 Gasoline is Good for America.
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01-13-2006, 05:38 PM
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Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I'm pretty sure that for every feel good about the environment story that one of the oil companies puts out,
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Actually this wasn't put out by Chevron. It was put out by Jared and he sits on the board of the WWF. In his book he talks about a bunch of places where oil companys really screwed places up. He compares the Chevron story with an Indonesian company that drilled on the other side of the island of New Guinea and really messed the place up.
Jared was part of the group that, after Chevron was given the lease with all the restrictions, was to check up on them. He did check up on Chevron to make sure they were following the rules laid out in the lease and he was surprized that they exceeded the leases rules. However, he did point out that Chevron had now realized that if it was going to get further oil leases, and if they were going to improve their image they would have to do this.
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