Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Wrong again my friend, wrong again. Somehow, no matter how hard I try, you people continue to confuse me with the Christian Right. I proudly represent the Libertarian wing of the GOP. Drugs for all in mass quantities I say.

So, you're actually more on the "fringe" of the GOP than the Jesus Brigade.

Keep it on the down low, or they may eventually revoke your membership card.

ETA: Damn you, burger!

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This has been debated on numerous times, but I don't think creationism, if taught properly, is contrary to evolution and, in fact, believe they should be presented side by side - and I am perhaps the least religious person on this board.

The kind of creationism being pushed into schools in OH and TX and other places is not the kind of creationism you are talking about.

I can't believe you would make such a value-laden statement as "taught properly." Yeah, taught they way YOU think it should be taught, you dictator-of-what-is-correct, PC policeman. Not the way GOD thinks it should be taught, with the King James version (Version?) of the Bible as literal truth. Or maybe it's the Good News version (Version).

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by spookyfish
So, you're actually more on the "fringe" of the GOP than the Jesus Brigade.

Keep it on the down low, or they may eventually revoke your membership card.

I dream about being on the fringe[y]. Ooops, sorry, that's for the FB.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This has been debated on numerous times, but I don't think creationism, if taught properly, is contrary to evolution and, in fact, believe they should be presented side by side - and I am perhaps the least religious person on this board.

One is supprted by accepted scientific findings. One is not. Teaching them side beside is to throw the scientific method out the window.

Creationism should be taught to kids as part of history class. "Some people believe in 'Creationism', and creationism is (explanation here)."

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
What I am talking about is a "theory" that a nondenominational diety created the universe or set evolution in motion. I do not back bible, torah, koran teachings in public schools.

There's no reason for that to be taught in public schools, and it is not what the zealots are envisioning when they want creation science or intelligent design to be taught. You are right, though, that it's not inconsistent with evolution.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This has been debated on numerous times, but I don't think creationism, if taught properly, is contrary to evolution and, in fact, believe they should be presented side by side - and I am perhaps the least religious person on this board.

I don't believe that creationism should be taught in public schools as a scientific theory. But I do think that children should be allowed to discuss it. I just don't want teachers forcing it on them.

I also agree that the idea that there is a god is not incompatible with evolution. Catholics believe that. Why can't God's "intelligent design" have been evolution? If you ask me, whoever came up with the idea of evolution is brillant.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
One is supprted by accepted scientific findings. One is not. Teaching them side beside is to throw the scientific method out the window.

Creationism should be taught to kids as part of history class. "Some people believe in 'Creationism', and creationism is (explanation here)."

I don't have a problem with a philosophy class that discusses a wide variety of religious and spiritual views as well as other types of philosophical teachings.

But creationism doesn't belong in the science class room. Unless, of course, there really is a God, then it does belong there.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
There's no reason for that to be taught in public schools

Why not? Seems to me to be the most significant question facing humanity.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Why not? Seems to me to be the most significant question facing humanity.

It's teaching religion, even if you try to dress it up as non-denominational consensus religion. As a libertarian, you of all people should be opposed to the government telling little kiddies what the answer to that question is.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Not Me
I don't have a problem with a philosophy class that discusses a wide variety of religious and spiritual views as well as other types of philosophical teachings.

But creationism doesn't belong in the science class room. Unless, of course, there really is a God, then it does belong there.

Creationism should not be taught during science class, but is relevant to history class, because it is an area of thought accepted by a lot of people.

I wrote the above to demonstrate just how bring it is to respond to someone with a post saying exactly the same thing the person to whom you're responding previously wrote.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Why not? Seems to me to be the most significant question facing humanity.

Yeah, TO YOU, but as we know you've already been outed as someone who wants to impose his own ideas of what's "right" and "wrong" on the rest of humanity in a very PC-like way.

In my dreams too, baby, except you've given up your GOP membership earlier in the dream.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Why not? Seems to me to be the most significant question facing humanity.

Do you really trust some card-carrying public school teacher's union member to teach religion to kids?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I wrote the above to demonstrate just how bring it is to respond to someone with a post saying exactly the same thing the person to whom you're responding previously wrote.

Whiff!

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
As a libertarian, you of all people should be opposed to the government telling little kiddies what the answer to that question is.

Well, most teaching is inherently majoritarian.

But as I understand club, he's not objecting to the presentation of the theory, just the suggestion that it's the only theory. After all, evolution is only a theory.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Creationism should not be taught during science class, but is relevant to history class, because it is an area of thought accepted by a lot of people.

That is so fucked up and wrong. Those jokers out there who act like it's science are insane and should be put away for their own safety. at best, biblical stuff should be in a history class and some pansy-assed liberal arts college where all the spoiled brat kids with first names like brittney and kennedy are sent by their upwardly mobile parents who couldn't argue their way out of a paper bag in front of a judge go. It's so pathetic how all these people on here call themselves lawyers when they can't even spew the diarrhea I call "rhetoric" out their ass-mouths. I'd kick their asses if they ever came up against me in front of a judge.


I wrote the above to demonstrate just how [bring] it is to respond to someone with a post acting like you are disagreeing with them but are really just using their post as a jumping off point for the same hackneyed bullshit rant that you've made countless times in the past.