All Hank, all the time.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You scurvy shyster bastard... I'll be on a plane to that faggot village of yours by midnite, and I'll come with big goddamned saps. You can run all you like, but by 3 tomorrow, hell or high water, you'll be lashed to a bridge and beaten like a whore in a Taliban smokeshack.

Good enough?

Ooh, baby.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
They day you two reach common ground (or start debating in a genteel manner) is the day I quit the board. If I want boredom and civility I can go hang out at the country club.

Where you belong, you knuckledragging neanderthal republican.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Adder
I won't mention that OK City wasn't Islamic terrorists and thus has nothing to do with this conversation.

You can mention it. Penske is going to be high-minded and genteel for at least seven minutes.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Adder


I won't mention that OK City wasn't Islamic terrorists and thus has nothing to do with this conversation.

Both Plated and I exposed this canard for what it is back on Infirm, on the Poltics board I invented. Look it up.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You can mention it. Penske is going to be high-minded and genteel for at least seven minutes.

Can y'all stay genteel for about another hour. I done run out of fresh mint for my afternoon julip.

[Adder]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I read tons of shit and process it all, and it all comes down to two things - 1. I want my money now, because no matter tha data I read, it never makes sense to bet on projections re the nation's fiscal fortunes; and 2. GOP makes my taxes go down, Dems make them go up.

You have an incredibly simple-minded view of American politics, And one that seems to have simply ignored the last 26 years of fiscal policy. I amazed that you think that rampant, unchecked federal spending doesn't make your taxes go up.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Adder
You have an incredibly simple-minded view of American politics, And one that seems to have simply ignored the last 26 years of fiscal policy. I amazed that you think that rampant, unchecked federal spending doesn't make your taxes go up.

My taxes have not gone up under Bush. Have yours?

Oh, and thank you. I aim to keep it simple. Your "thinking" is a big long circle which brings you back to my simple conclusion - gimme as much as i can get up front, now. I'll figure out the future when it comes.

[Adder]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
My taxes have not gone up under Bush. Have yours?

Yes. I pay far more in taxes now than I did when Clinton was in office.

But seriously, why do you think your taxes would have gone up with Gore in office? Especially if one or both houses of Congress was held by the republicans?

Oh, and thank you. I aim to keep it simple. Your "thinking" is a big long circle which brings you back to my simple conclusion - gimme as much as i can get up front, now. I'll figure out the future when it comes.

If I expected to die in the next three years, I might agree with you, but how long do you think Bush's fantasyland fiscal policy will hold? You're going to be paying for the current wild spending in a matter of years, not decades.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
- gimme as much as i can get up front, now. I'll figure out the future when it comes.

Remind me to raise as much money as I can for your opponent when you decide to run for office.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
That's funny. The Journal wrote an article last month citing stats showing the rich paying more taxes than ever.

"QUOTE" not "EDIT" -- Sorry! -- t.s.

As % of their reported income, or as % of total taxes paid, or just as straight dollar amount (and if so, adjusted for inflation or not?), and how did they define "rich"?

OK, conf. call now.

[SlaveNoMore]

Spanky
Israel was created at the point of a gun, and people got screwed when it was created.

For the love of God....

So was every other landlocked country fucking country on the planet.

And yet all we ever hear about is the evil Zionist state and the dispersement of the poor Palestinian people

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't think UN Resos = international law but I may be mistaken.

I don't know either. Does the UN pass things other than resolutions? Are UN resolutions open to a Veto from the Security Council? Was Israel created by a UN resolution or something else?

Originally posted by sgtclub
Regardless, my understanding is that territories taken in a war need not been given back except per terms of the peace treaty, which, as I also understand, has never been reached between Israel and its Arab aggressors.

1) The first issue here is who started the war. Israel said that the Arabs were going to attack but Israel attacked first and grabbed the land. So if Israel is considered the agressor then they have no right to grab any land.

2) If Israel is not considered the agressor, then for the Golan Heights your analysis might work (because Syria has not made Peace with Israel and claims the Golan Heights). However, Egypt does not claim Gaza and Israel has a treaty with Egypt. So there is no excuse to hold Gaza (maybe that is why they left). As for the West Bank, does Jordan still claim the West Bank? and is Israel still technically at war with Jordan? Isn't that why they changed their name from Transjordan to Jordan?

3) Why is Isreal called Isreal and not Judah? I tried to Google it but couldn't find it. Does anyone know? It seems weird because Israel, I believe, was just the northern part of present day Palestine and Judah was the South (including where Jerusalemm and Tel Aviv sit now).

[Spanky]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore

For the love of God....

So was every other landlocked country fucking country on the planet.

And yet all we ever hear about is the evil Zionist state and the dispersement of the poor Palestinian people

Of all the countries created after WWII, which ones were created by a people migrating to a land, and expelling the native inhabitants?

It is my understanding that most of the nations created this century were placed in the hands of the people that occupied the land. Am I wrong?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Adder
Yes. I pay far more in taxes now than I did when Clinton was in office.

You were a student. You were essentially unemployed. I pay more in taxes now then in 1993 when Clinton was president, because I made about $10K that year. I was in school. Duh.

Originally posted by Adder


But seriously, why do you think your taxes would have gone up with Gore in office? Especially if one or both houses of Congress was held by the republicans?

The rates would not have been reduced because Gore wouldn't have pushed it and congressmen are pussies (*with Bush, they had/have the out to blame him), if the rates weren't reduced, I would be paying more now than if Bush had won.

Originally posted by Adder


If I expected to die in the next three years, I might agree with you, but how long do you think Bush's fantasyland fiscal policy will hold? You're going to be paying for the current wild spending in a matter of years, not decades.

In 1986, 87 88 et al the naive libs were saying trhe same thing, except substitute Reagan for Bush. It's all cyclical. Except, thankful;ly, due to a few courageous Rs, Reagan and Bush43, the marginal rates have gone down and stayed close to down, despite the liberals attempts to the contrary.

[SlaveNoMore]

Penske_Account
Because Israel doesn't subscribe to a cult of victimology like your pals in the Arab world. They take the hit, pick themselves up and hit back, ten fold.

And because, frankly, most of the world doesn't care much about those evil, dead Israelis.