LawTalkers  

Go Back   LawTalkers > General Discussion > Politics

» Site Navigation
 > FAQ
» Online Users: 141
0 members and 141 guests
No Members online
Most users ever online was 9,654, 05-18-2025 at 04:16 AM.
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-10-2017, 11:01 PM   #3286
sebastian_dangerfield
Moderator
 
sebastian_dangerfield's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Monty Capuletti's gazebo
Posts: 26,231
It's true, or false, or maybe it's both...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Bob View Post
For me, this is key. But, hey, this is just like Trumpians saying that the system was rigged for Hillary.
The last hour of this BBC Doc. makes The Shock Doctrine's central theory seem like a benign fairy tale: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM
__________________
All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.
sebastian_dangerfield is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 09:15 AM   #3287
ferrets_bueller
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Washington
Posts: 228
Re: Whoa.

Whoa, indeed.

I believe I can say, with little credible dissent, that Trump is dumb enough to tag a gorgeous Russian in Moscow. Doubtless he has never seen this classic video within a video scene from James Bond's "From Russia With Love."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaA7_aOD2ig

This morning's press conference is must see TV Currently scheduled for 11:00 Eastern.
ferrets_bueller is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 11:00 AM   #3288
Not Bob
Moderator
 
Not Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Podunkville
Posts: 6,034
Re: It's true, or false, or maybe it's both...

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
The last hour of this BBC Doc. makes The Shock Doctrine's central theory seem like a benign fairy tale: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM
In an effort to make me hypersectionally woke, a friend recommended that I watch Adam Curtis (starting with "Hypernormalisation") a few months ago. I may or may not be on the way to woke, but boy am I depressed.

And while I think some of Curtis' theories in this doc are silly (the UFO craze of the 1990s? Please. He doesn't even mention the UFO craze of the 50s or 70s, and his theory that the military used UFOs to cover up new weapons systems is the exact opposite of what the government said back then -- that what people thought were UFOs were actually high tech planes, etc.), I think that his observations about where we are in terms of how society looks at facts and "facts" are spot on.

The section that I found very interesting was the discussion of Putin's aide Vladislov Surkov and his use of avant garde theater techniques to promote Putin's regime. It hit me like a shot -- Trump and his supporters either stole the concept from Putin or Putin gave it to him. For example, everything that Trump and Pence and his people were saying about the deal to keep the air conditioning factory in Indiana -- it's pure theater. And the completely self-contradictory positions of so many in the GOP (from McConnell on confirmation hearings for cabinet nominees and Supreme Court nominees to Ryan allowing house members to gut ethics and punish individual civil servants by cutting their pay to $1) shows that the phenomenon is not limited to Trump. And let me preempt you by saying, no, both sides do *not* do this. Dems may play all sorts of games, but there is no equivalence. Obama may have been lying or wrong in 2009 when he said "you can keep your doctors," but he didn't say last night that "I promised you that you could keep your doctors, and I kept that promise."

Anyway, carry on.
Not Bob is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 11:01 AM   #3289
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Registered User
 
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
Posts: 20,182
Re: Lock Him Up

Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller View Post
Whoa, indeed.

I believe I can say, with little credible dissent, that Trump is dumb enough to tag a gorgeous Russian in Moscow. Doubtless he has never seen this classic video within a video scene from James Bond's "From Russia With Love."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaA7_aOD2ig

This morning's press conference is must see TV Currently scheduled for 11:00 Eastern.
I think it is important that these charges all be vetted with the same care as Trump used on Obama's birth certificate.
__________________
A wee dram a day!
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 11:04 AM   #3290
Not Bob
Moderator
 
Not Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Podunkville
Posts: 6,034
Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
Dissent: #goldenshowers

"It's the gift that keeps on giving..." - Uncle Eddie
Jesus Christ. I'd trade that - in a heartbeat - for him not causing the deaths of kids and people with compromised immune systems by being an intellectually lazy blowhard who ignores facts about vaccines.
Not Bob is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 11:10 AM   #3291
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Registered User
 
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
Posts: 20,182
Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Bob View Post
Jesus Christ. I'd trade that - in a heartbeat - for him not causing the deaths of kids and people with compromised immune systems by being an intellectually lazy blowhard who ignores facts about vaccines.
Can we throw in there not causing the deaths or bankruptcy of people who have had cancer and so will hit any lifetime maximum insurance companies can set on policies after the repeal of O-care? Because cancer recurs.

Asking for a friend.
__________________
A wee dram a day!
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 11:26 AM   #3292
Not Bob
Moderator
 
Not Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Podunkville
Posts: 6,034
Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy View Post
Can we throw in there not causing the deaths or bankruptcy of people who have had cancer and so will hit any lifetime maximum insurance companies can set on policies after the repeal of O-care? Because cancer recurs.

Asking for a friend.
Of course. There are an unlimited number of Not Good things that will/could happen in a Trump Administration, and the effects of an ACA rollback is high on my own list, too.

But my "Jesus Christ!" was prompted by Sebby's #goldengate response to Flower's specific point about Sebby being entertained by the Trump Show despite deaths caused by his idiocy on vaccines.
Not Bob is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 11:57 AM   #3293
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Registered User
 
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
Posts: 20,182
Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Bob View Post
Of course. There are an unlimited number of Not Good things that will/could happen in a Trump Administration, and the effects of an ACA rollback is high on my own list, too.

But my "Jesus Christ!" was prompted by Sebby's #goldengate response to Flower's specific point about Sebby being entertained by the Trump Show despite deaths caused by his idiocy on vaccines.
The Trump Show is not entertaining. It is sad and it is disturbing. Sebby should just read Celine if he wants this kind of entertainment.
__________________
A wee dram a day!
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 12:31 PM   #3294
Tyrone Slothrop
Moderasaurus Rex
 
Tyrone Slothrop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 33,080
Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

For Sebby: Comey probably cost Clinton the election. Particularly relevant today, now that we know what Comey kept to himself about Trump and Russia.
__________________
“It was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
Tyrone Slothrop is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 02:32 PM   #3295
Not Bob
Moderator
 
Not Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Podunkville
Posts: 6,034
You ain't a-reachin' me, no how, no way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop View Post
For Sebby: Comey probably cost Clinton the election. Particularly relevant today, now that we know what Comey kept to himself about Trump and Russia.
I admire your persistence. Perhaps Zeus will relent one of these days, and allow the rock to reach the top of the hill.
Not Bob is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 02:59 PM   #3296
Pretty Little Flower
Moderator
 
Pretty Little Flower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Flower
Posts: 8,434
Re: You ain't a-reachin' me, no how, no way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Bob View Post
I admire your persistence. Perhaps Zeus will relent one of these days, and allow the rock to reach the top of the hill.
And maybe that fucking eagle will stop eating my liver every day, but it's not looking good. We've done this Daily Dose already, but it is hard to not to replay the Funkadelic song that opens with a reference to being peed on, amirite???? Standing On The Verge of Getting It On, a driving funk guitar-oriented rocker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmJqDfdGmV4
__________________
Inside every man lives the seed of a flower.
If he looks within he finds beauty and power.

I am not sorry.
Pretty Little Flower is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 03:22 PM   #3297
Tyrone Slothrop
Moderasaurus Rex
 
Tyrone Slothrop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 33,080
Re: You ain't a-reachin' me, no how, no way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Bob View Post
I admire your persistence. Perhaps Zeus will relent one of these days, and allow the rock to reach the top of the hill.
This Vox piece is good too.
__________________
“It was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
Tyrone Slothrop is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 03:39 PM   #3298
Adder
I am beyond a rank!
 
Adder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 17,175
Re: You ain't a-reachin' me, no how, no way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop View Post
He talks like Palin. Except I think he knows that he's letting his audience hear what they want. I'm not sure she did.
Adder is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 03:52 PM   #3299
SEC_Chick
I am beyond a rank!
 
SEC_Chick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: A pool of my own vomit
Posts: 734
Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

I get annoyed by listening to Obama speak and detest his smug selfishness. I also got a case of the dry heaves when GWB mispronounced the word "nuclear". But nothing can compare to how much I truly hate Trump and the way he speaks. It is worse than nails on a chalkboard. But my annoyance cannot be limited to the way he speaks, because turning off the sound and reading the closed captioning also makes me want to throw up in my mouth. It will be a long four years. It's at the point where I don't know if it's solely because he objectively sucks, or if I also have some weird aversion to him like I do Hilary Swank. I cannot put words to why I hate Hilary Swank as much as I do, and I have never even seen one of her movies, yet I inexplicably hate her guts. To be honest, the dread I feel for the next four years is pretty much how I felt when Obama was elected and the Dems held the House and Senate. But exponentially worse, because now I get to see those who used to be on my team engage in the same conduct they used to bitch about. Man, I can't be on the winning side for anything.

I have been told by Trump supporters that I am forgiven (not that I require forgiveness, because while I was wrong about Trump's electoral prospects, I continue to assert that I was right about his character), or that I am the enemy they are coming for due to my apostasy. Whatever. Seeing Rubio grill Tillerson today made me sad. We could have had him as President instead. Gang of 8 is small potatoes compared with what we are staring down now.
SEC_Chick is offline  
Old 01-11-2017, 03:53 PM   #3300
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Registered User
 
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
Posts: 20,182
Re: You ain't a-reachin' me, no how, no way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Bob View Post
I admire your persistence. Perhaps Zeus will relent one of these days, and allow the rock to reach the top of the hill.
Screw Zeus. Bring in the heavy equipment and flatten the hill.

Fill the swamp.
__________________
A wee dram a day!
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy is offline  
Closed Thread


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.1

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:33 PM.