I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You'll admit there's a wee bit of cognitive dissonance floating about when people are accusing Trump and Jared Kushner (his tech guru... and husband of his converted and observant Jewish daughter) of dog whistling to anti-Semites.

But, having had no idea "America First" was the exact phrase used by the Charles Lindbergh wing of the isolationist camp, I do acknowledge your point. I'm not sure I buy it, but I see the argument.

I do think it's impossible to stop globalization. Putting America's interests first and globalization aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

I'm also not defending Trump putting America first. I was merely wondering, "Isn't this whatever every President does?"

Why does a Jewish relative prevent you from aligning with anti-Semites?

As to the history of America First, the people organizing white nationalist movements are well aware of this. This is what they read. These are their heroes.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You'll admit there's a wee bit of cognitive dissonance floating about when people are accusing Trump and Jared Kushner (his tech guru... and husband of his converted and observant Jewish daughter) of dog whistling to anti-Semites.

And yet they are.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Who knows anything about 4th amendment issues?

My daughter was on a bus in Rochester this am. Border Control comes on. Two big guys block the door to the bus, and the others go through the bus asking people what country they are from. They ask some people for passports - mostly people of color. If they don't have passports they ask for other ID. After they go through the whole bus they leave. No indication of any probable cause (but you never know what they have).

Is this a constitutional stop? The closest border is two hours away. The bus is going from one part of NY (Rochester) to another (Ithaca).

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by replaced_texan

i've heard "turnout" for 20 years. I don't buy it anymore. Yes, there are voter suppression efforts. Yes, there's an outreach problem. But it's also a messaging problem. And if we know that a certain population isn't going to show up, why do we ignore the population that does show up?

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[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Who knows anything about 4th amendment issues?

My daughter was on a bus in Rochester this am. Border Control comes on. Two big guys block the door to the bus, and the others go through the bus asking people what country they are from. They ask some people for passports - mostly people of color. If they don't have passports they ask for other ID. After they go through the whole bus they leave. No indication of any probable cause (but you never know what they have).

Is this a constitutional stop? The closest border is two hours away. The bus is going from one part of NY (Rochester) to another (Ithaca).

Did anybody just tell them "Fuck you, no, I don't need to show you my papers, you jack-booted thug?"

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

Did anybody just tell them "Fuck you, no, I don't need to show you my papers, you jack-booted thug?"

No. But it sounds like there were some shell-shocked kids.

We're thinking about going to the Congresswoman and Mayor. But it would be good to get some weigh-in from someone who actually knows this stuff cold.

It was definitely a jack-boot thug thing. It sounds like they were looking to make some kids very uncomfortable.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

No. But it sounds like there were some shell-shocked kids.

We're thinking about going to the Congresswoman and Mayor. But it would be good to get some weigh-in from someone who actually knows this stuff cold.

It was definitely a jack-boot thug thing. It sounds like they were looking to make some kids very uncomfortable.

With the caveat that it has been a few years since I looked into this for a friend ...

By statute, the Border Patrol can establish checkpoints (temporary or permanent) within 100 miles of the Canadian and Mexican borders. Case law (including a Supreme Court case from the 1970s) says such activity does not violate the 4th Amendment.

But that doesn't surprise us, really, does it? Complain anyway.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

And yet they are.

So, like, I totally don't understand why everybody gets their undies in a bunch about the whole All Lives Matter thing. I mean, like, think about it, right? It's LITERALLY true, right? I mean, are you actually saying that all lives do not matter? OMG, that's totally messed up, I know, right? Yet everybody on Facebook is all like "You can't say that, it's totally racist" but that can't be because I know a guy who has some black friends and he is still totally like hashtag "All Lives Matter" all the time, and I think it's just because he thinks life is precious and that life matters, amirite? I think the people who call it racist are racists.

In non-Sebastian-total-fucking-nonsense news, I met Kool Keith this weekend. Which was weird, and hilarious. Today's Daily Dose is The Meters with "Little Old Money Maker":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKsfIymQ9hY

Which is sampled in the Ultramagnetic MCs song "Ease Back":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KSRhQidyms

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

With the caveat that it has been a few years since I looked into this for a friend ...

By statute, the Border Patrol can establish checkpoints (temporary or permanent) within 100 miles of the Canadian and Mexican borders. Case law (including a Supreme Court case from the 1970s) says such activity does not violate the 4th Amendment.

But that doesn't surprise us, really, does it? Complain anyway.

About 80 miles to the border from there. Is a bus sitting in a station a check point?

I have complaints in the Congresswoman and Mayor. Just want to add to the pile of stuff I'm publicly pissed about.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

I couldn't find the science board.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

About 80 miles to the border from there.

More like 30 miles with the right boat.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

More like 30 miles with the right boat.

Well, this is disturbing.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Well, this is disturbing.

You do realize President Obama is still, well, President?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Why does a Jewish relative prevent you from aligning with anti-Semites?

As to the history of America First, the people organizing white nationalist movements are well aware of this. This is what they read. These are their heroes.

Kushner is the architect of Trump's internet strategy. To borrow from a favorite Curb Your Enthusiasm episode (where Larry David hires a quartet to play Wagner in an adversary's front yard), Kushner would very much earn the admonition, "you are not a good Jew!" Perhaps more than any other Jewish person alive, save perhaps those lunatic rabbis who attended a conference with Ahmadinejad to deny the Holocaust.

On your second point, I plead a bit of ignorance on the alt-right lingo. Of the various crazy shit I read about, those people simply don't interest me much. Perhaps this is why I dismiss them so easily. But I don't think I'm wrong in assuming Trump isn't anywhere near as connected to them as the media portrays. I sense they're just demented fan boys he's taking for a ride. That's bad, but a far different kind of bad than actually being ideologically aligned with those sorts.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

With the caveat that it has been a few years since I looked into this for a friend ...

By statute, the Border Patrol can establish checkpoints (temporary or permanent) within 100 miles of the Canadian and Mexican borders. Case law (including a Supreme Court case from the 1970s) says such activity does not violate the 4th Amendment.

But that doesn't surprise us, really, does it? Complain anyway.

I've seen them as far north as Las Vegas, New Mexico.