It's all about me

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Terrell Owens is an ass. But, was he being homophobic here?

TM

He also says, when asked what he would do if an NFL player admitted he was gay, "I probably wouldn't say anything right off the bat. I'd just see what everyone else has to say. I'd probably keep my distance, and hopefully, he would keep his. If it was a guy who was helping us win ball games, hey, I'd have no problem with it. He can do what he wants to do outside of my everyday life."


Link.

So I think the answer is, yes, he's an ass. But no, he's not a homophobe. At least not as much as Jeremy Shockey, anyway.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
"The equating of gay men to vermin is appalling," Addessa said from Philadelphia. "We need to encourage the Eagles and Owens to make a public apology and for the Eagles to publicly discipline Owens. These comments that equate gay men to some inferior life form do real harm, creating a cultural environment which justifies violence against gay and lesbian people."

Inferior life form? Since when do we as humans get to designate which life forms are superior and which are inferior?

the entire situation is made all the more confusing by the fact that Garcia does in fact look a little ratlike. nttawwt.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
He also says, when asked what he would do if an NFL player admitted he was gay, "I probably wouldn't say anything right off the bat. I'd just see what everyone else has to say. I'd probably keep my distance, and hopefully, he would keep his. If it was a guy who was helping us win ball games, hey, I'd have no problem with it. He can do what he wants to do outside of my everyday life."


Link.

So I think the answer is, yes, he's an ass. But no, he's not a homophobe. At least not as much as Jeremy Shockey, anyway.

Sounds homophobic to me. He would keep his distance and the other guy hopefully would to? He has no problem with it unless he's not helping to win ball games? Does that mean that if he's second string, he gets run off the team by Owens?

Whatever. The guy is an idiot.

TM

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I?

Could you please expand on exactly what you mean by "I suck mean people," including its applicability to your location? Thanks.

etcp

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Sounds homophobic to me. He would keep his distance and the other guy hopefully would to? He has no problem with it unless he's not helping to win ball games? Does that mean that if he's second string, he gets run off the team by Owens?

Whatever. The guy is an idiot.

TM

I don't know. I'm no TO fan, but he seems like he's struggling with this issue. I would suspect the TO, and most football players, have never had to deal with someone who was openly gay. So he almost certainly has no empirical data from which to work. Given the homophobia that is often fostered among atheletes, this sounds pretty damn enlightened.

Once you factor in that TO is not exactly William Safire in terms of linguistic precision, I can be charitable and interpret this as him saying "I would react negatively to being hit on by a man, but that aside I am more concerned with performance on the job than a person's private life."

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
the entire situation is made all the more confusing by the fact that Garcia does in fact look a little ratlike. nttawwt.

Oh sure. Garcia looks like a rat. And why is it that we do not instead say that rats look like Garcia? It is time we think about the specist notions some of us hold.

If someone says he wants to keep his distance from homosexuals and hopes that homosexuals keep their collective distance from him, my guess is that the person is homophobic. In fact, I do not think there is much room for debate here. So let's just drop this boring thread and get going on the far more interesting species-related discussion.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
the entire situation is made all the more confusing by the fact that Garcia does in fact look a little ratlike. nttawwt.

Perhaps, but what does he smell like?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by baltassoc
I don't know. I'm no TO fan, but he seems like he's struggling with this issue. I would suspect the TO, and most football players, have never had to deal with someone who was openly gay. So he almost certainly has no empirical data from which to work. Given the homophobia that is often fostered among atheletes, this sounds pretty damn enlightened.

Once you factor in that TO is not exactly William Safire in terms of linguistic precision, I can be charitable and interpret this as him saying "I would react negatively to being hit on by a man, but that aside I am more concerned with performance on the job than a person's private life."

This is such a stretch. Homophobic does not mean that he is going to beat up all gay people he meets. It means that he has fear or contempt for gay people. It does not mean that the fear or contempt is so overwhelming that it would prevent him from playing on the same team as a win-contributing gay player. It just means he has fear or contempt for gay people. If someone wants gay people to stay away from him and wants to stay away from gay people, that person is, almost by definition, homophobic. "Pretty damn enlightened"? You probably not only think that rats are inferior creatures, but that your views on the subject are remarkably progressive.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Could you please expand on exactly what you mean by "I suck mean people," including its applicability to your location? Thanks.

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[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Perhaps, but what does he smell like?

chicken

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
If someone says he wants to keep his distance from homosexuals and hopes that homosexuals keep their collective distance from him, my guess is that the person is homophobic. In fact, I do not think there is much room for debate here. So let's just drop this boring thread and get going on the far more interesting species-related discussion.

I think the solution is to give him some X, a room full of college students, and see what happens.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Oh sure. Garcia looks like a rat. And why is it that we do not instead say that rats look like Garcia? It is time we think about the specist notions some of us hold.

This is perhaps outable, but I went to law school with a guy we all called Randy the Ferret. (because he looked like a ferret).

Also, on the subway today, some guy sitting got up before his stop and told me I had fantastic head-alignment. It is not too often that happens and it made my day.

[NotFromHere]

I wonder if Johnny Depp would kiss Jeff Garcia?

Johnny Depp is the latest heartthrob who’s rumored to be puckering up for a same-sex smooch in an upcoming film,“The Libertine,” about 17th Century poet John Wilmot, also known as the Earl of Rochester.

Wilmot was believed to be bisexual, and spies are reporting that Depp has some heavy-duty tonsil-hockey scenes with another man in the flick. “His name is Rupert Friend and he’s a fairly unknown actor,” says the source, “but very handsome. The lucky guy.”

The lucky guy indeed.

In other sad sad news, Sigourney Weaver says she will not watch Alien v. Predator which is the stupidest premise for a movie ever thought up. Hey Hollywood, come up with some new ideas for a change. Like more hot guys in movies running on beaches.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
This is such a stretch. Homophobic does not mean that he is going to beat up all gay people he meets. It means that he has fear or contempt for gay people. It does not mean that the fear or contempt is so overwhelming that it would prevent him from playing on the same team as a win-contributing gay player. It just means he has fear or contempt for gay people. If someone wants gay people to stay away from him and wants to stay away from gay people, that person is, almost by definition, homophobic. "Pretty damn enlightened"? You probably not only think that rats are inferior creatures, but that your views on the subject are remarkably progressive.

I am against rats, but not ratphobic in the sense of being afraid of them. I do hold them in contempt. I have killed rats before, and I would do it again. Suffice it to say, if I were to discover a rat in my house, I would not rest until it were dead, or at least permenantly removed from the premises. I want rats to stay away from me. I want to stay away from rats. I don't care if the rat can pass for 1500 yards a season. A rat's a rat. I have no pretensions that my views in this matter are in any way progressive, but I don't care. Down with rats.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Also, on the subway today, some guy sitting got up before his stop and told me I had fantastic head-alignment.

Were you blowing him?