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Old 11-11-2005, 12:29 AM   #331
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2) The freedom of the press belongs to those who own one. Dan Rather was not elected by anybody. Don't like him? Don't watch him.
This presupposes an informed and concerned electorate. You're not that naive. You know that when any national figure makes a pronouncement, significant numbers of stoopid voters are affected. That's why slogan-based campaigning works. That's why Edwards spent hours on his hair. It's not enough that I don't watch Rather, or you don't read Coulter. They affect many people who seldom look beyond the surface.
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This presupposes an informed and concerned electorate. You're not that naive. You know that when any national figure makes a pronouncement, significant numbers of stoopid voters are affected. That's why slogan-based campaigning works. That's why Edwards spent hours on his hair. It's not enough that I don't watch Rather, or you don't read Coulter. They affect many people who seldom look beyond the surface.
I agree. That's why I find Fox News's coverage completely irresponsible.
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:42 AM   #333
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I agree. That's why I find Fox News's coverage completely irresponsible.
Plus, I don't want to change the subject: Hank wanted me to admit that the media was biased. I did, and gave an explanation for why I think that it. You seem to want to end it. It's not going to happen, because of basic human nature. So you need to start thinking of ways around it. I'd say the conservative world has done a pretty stunning job of doing just that over the past 10 years.
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:52 AM   #334
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I'd say the conservative world has done a pretty stunning job of doing just that over the past 10 years.
We have Fox. You have ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, Rueters, AP . . .

Oh, and we do have selected parts of The History Channel. Thank gawd.
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"Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck."

At what point does one logically decide that entering into a coalition with loonies as the only way to advance one's economic views is no longer viable?

Especially given that one's economic views arguably do not include "spending tax money like a drunken sailor"?
Yes it sucks to be in the same party as this lunatic. But I would take him any day over the Unions and the socialists. The unions have been running california into the ground and they just spent forty million dollars to make sure we don't change course. Politics is always the choice of the lesser of two evils. The teacher unions have done more damage and will continue to do damage to our education system that these fundamentalists could never even hope to match.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:14 AM   #336
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We have Fox. You have ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, Rueters, AP . . .

Oh, and we do have selected parts of The History Channel. Thank gawd.

Don't forget that we own talk radio. We control what I call the secondary media. Radio, the internet and newsletters. The secondary media was key in 2000.
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Old 11-11-2005, 08:26 AM   #337
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ETA: And wait. Not a single person was "fool[ed] ... into voting as he wanted them to vote." Why? Because others brought the mistake/fraud to the nation's attention.
When you read that Customs busted a guy trying to bring coke over the border, do you assume there is no coke coming into the country, and there is nothing wrong with trying to bring it it?
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Yes it sucks to be in the same party as this lunatic. But I would take him any day over the Unions and the socialists. The unions have been running california into the ground and they just spent forty million dollars to make sure we don't change course. Politics is always the choice of the lesser of two evils. The teacher unions have done more damage and will continue to do damage to our education system that these fundamentalists could never even hope to match.
When he would run for stuff, there was talk that if he got close to appearing to have a legit chance, some 700 Club tape would come out. There is tape of him speaking in tongues to God to try and divert a hurricane headed for the Coast. He appears quite unpresidential, it is said.

Thing is, I don't think a guy praying to something who might help save people and people's lives is as bad as a child or privilege going to Public officials who do help him hide the murder of a young girl one drunk driving evening.

Who's worse?
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We have Fox. You have ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, Rueters, AP . . .

Oh, and we do have selected parts of The History Channel. Thank gawd.
And yet, you've dominated at a national level for the past 11 years. Like Balt said, y'all found a way around it.

Oh, you also need to convince some of your filthy rich conservative ideologues to buy more mainstream media outlets from the filthy rich liberal ideologues. That will just cement _everyone's_ ability to hear only the news they agree with -- and ignore the stuff they don't want to hear. Seems only fair.

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Yes it sucks to be in the same party as this lunatic. But I would take him any day over the Unions and the socialists. The unions have been running california into the ground and they just spent forty million dollars to make sure we don't change course. Politics is always the choice of the lesser of two evils. The teacher unions have done more damage and will continue to do damage to our education system that these fundamentalists could never even hope to match.
You are temporarally bitter, and your perspective is clouded. You also forget that the fundamentalists have big hopes.

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Old 11-11-2005, 09:05 AM   #341
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Thing is, I don't think a guy praying to something who might help save people and people's lives is as bad as a child or privilege going to Public officials who do help him hide the murder of a young girl one drunk driving evening.
Kennedy was worse then. But we gotta remember that, there but for the grace of God and some good luck, goes your current President.

(And many of us, except that we would not have the connections to help us out.)

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Old 11-11-2005, 09:29 AM   #342
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I'd note that the freedom of the press belongs to those who own one. One the conservatives got Fox News, I became a lot less sympathetic to accusations of media bias. Accept it and move on.
Agreed. Most of the Left is just pissed and whiny about Fox because Fox has moved into its turf and kicked its ass. Lets face it - love it or hate it, Fox News is entertaining.

Fox is like watching a hard rock concert. They slam the shit forward and keep you interested. Most of the Lefty stuff is like a bad jaz club. You can't listen for more than a minute without getting bored.

Its taken the Left five years to figure out how to deal with Fox. All the Let ever really had to do was grow some balls and fight Fox by acting like Fox. But entertaining people is foreign to the Left (outside Hollywood). It'd rather preach.

Nice to see CNN grow some balls and finally shitcan that Aaron Brown piece of crap. Who hired that fucking corpse in the first place?
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"Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck."
He apparently predicted similar biblical disasters for Florida (or some town/county therein). Nothing came to pass, at least not immediately. Doesn't that tell him something?
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Old 11-11-2005, 09:58 AM   #344
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He apparently predicted similar biblical disasters for Florida (or some town/county therein). Nothing came to pass, at least not immediately. Doesn't that tell him something?
Sure. That G-d works in mysterious ways. As long as something possibly bad happens to or occurs at [town in question] then Pat is correct.

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DA question: Is it racist to suggest that an insular society might be damaged by free immigration? Is it racist to suggest that Europe needs to limit immigration from North African Islamic societys, on the basis that these societys share so few common grounds with your own group that they cannot, and never will, mix well? Do you owe any opportunity to those outside of your state who are seeking to enter but who will, you suspect, impact your society negatively?

Is it morally okay to say, we know what these people believe and we just don't like them?
If George Lincoln Rockwell were alive, he'd clearly answer your question in the affirmative.
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