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[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
do you have any friends that are flat out racists? suppose you meet a new potential friend tomorrow, and after dinner, when you and the wife really are thinking they're a great couple, the other woman up and goes "i can't believe INSERT NASTY RACIST THING".

end of the night, the guy says "want to get together again next Saturday?

What is the grinch family answer?

What you're suggesting is perfectly valid on a "want to get together again for dinner next week?" level. However, what Obama was saying was that we can't just say "well, these people aren't "real" Americans, so we can ignore them" on a macro level.

We all share a country. That means that we need to find ways to function together and find some common ground.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I do not now live, nor have I ever lived, in Berkeley. I did not grow up there. I did not attend school there. I have never worked there.

Goddammit Hank!

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by taxwonk
That means that we need to find ways to function together and find some common ground.

Do you mean common ground between (1) those who seek to convince Americans that America is drugging them; and (2) those who do not so preach (or so believe). If so, seems a tough job finding "common ground" between those. I nominate you for the job!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Why should you get anything more than your contract rights? I have no quarrel with a contract as you describe, and proper remedies for its breach. But if I sell you a horse on the condition that you sell it only to a horse meat maker and not to sunny, my only remedy if you do sell to sunny is a contract suit. But if I sell you viagra and limit your sales to TM, but you sell to Sebby instead, why should I be able to sue for patent infringement?

because it is infringement unless you have some right to do it.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I do not now live, nor have I ever lived, in Berkeley. I did not grow up there. I did not attend school there. I have never worked there. At best, I have visited there several times, and each time I found the college students and hangers-on to be sad and infuriating at the same time. Like all college students.

I have been to dinner parties in Berkeley. I found the people there to be Not Wacky. But maybe there was a selection effect, as I was only invited to certain kinds of dinner parties. The $4,300 hooker kind of dinner parties.

Now Slave, on the other hand, is tight with the people who run Berkeley.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
i am. why?

I thought she might be competing.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Now Slave, on the other hand, is tight with the people who run Berkeley.

The dead ones, or the living ones?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
What you're suggesting is perfectly valid on a "want to get together again for dinner next week?" level. However, what Obama was saying was that we can't just say "well, these people aren't "real" Americans, so we can ignore them" on a macro level.

We all share a country. That means that we need to find ways to function together and find some common ground.

I don't get it. will he be going to a klan rally next week?

90% of what he said I think was great. equating a minster to his grandma was bullshit. people asking him to justify the minister might be Bullshit- I haven't really read into it enough. BUT saying the minister at the church i go to I'm tied to, warts and all, like I'm tied to granny is bullshit.

You can't choose family/ you can choose friends- which is a minster closer to? or is it okay to have racist friends*? I don't think it is. AND before today I would have thought almost everyone on this board would have agreed. So I don't get the distinction.

*allowing for the argument that a black minister cannot be racist, but that wasn't BO's argument.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I don't get it. will he be going to a klan rally next week?

90% of what he said I think was great. equating a minster to his grandma was bullshit. people asking him to justify the minister might be Bullshit- I haven't really read into it enough. BUT saying the minister at the church i go to I'm tied to, warts and all, like I'm tied to granny is bullshit.

You can't choose family/ you can choose friends- which is a minster closer to? or is it okay to have racist friends*? I don't think it is. AND before today I would have thought almost everyone on this board would have agreed. So I don't get the distinction.

*allowing for the argument that a black minister cannot be racist, but that wasn't BO's argument.

I think wonk is trying to point out that Obama is a politician, giving a political speech, arguing that we all have to live together in a larger sense.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I think wonk is trying to point out that Obama is a politician, giving a political speech, arguing that we all have to live together in a larger sense.

i'm not smart like you. so he will be taking in a Klan rally? and if some friends start spouting hate, but are otherwise nice, you'll go out with them? help me understand.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
because it is infringement unless you have some right to do it.

Only judges on the Federal Circuit give more conclusory opinions than that.

IP rights are a creature of statute, authorized by the constitution. Why should the rights regarding restrictions on sales be broader than for any other form of property?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Answer for new potential friend is "Sorry, can't" three times. If that doesn't work, the Cut Direct.

Answer for priest is probably different. (I grew up Catholic.)

2. To the extent that I had any religious upbringing (8 years of catholic school, but no real religion at home aside for attendance the once-in-a-lifetime sacraments) I was raised to believe that clergy is more or less fungible. The homilies are dicta.

I don't know how it works in other churches, but they did a pretty good job at the hard sell in convincing me that there wasn't any other place to go. And I tend to still think that even though I'm as lapsed as a Catholic can get. I'll reject, I'll renounce, and I'll sing to the rooftops how the Roman Catholic Church's stances on a variety of issues is wrong. But ultimately, I'll self-identify as Catholic, and instinctively find myself getting defensive of the Church if it's attacked in certain ways.

I don't think it really matters.

Everything I've seen of Barack Obama in the last two years or so, and especially that speech today, indicates to me that he expressly does NOT hold the views that his former pastor espoused that were so objectionable.

But even more fundamentally, I'd rather have a leader who understands that there are people in this country who think that "God damn America" is more appropriate than "God bless America" than a leader that pretends that we're all hunky dory and can't imagine a better life. Or worse, tells them to love it or leave it.

And more importantly, I think that he understands why some people feel that way. And instead of feeling hopeless about it, instead of accepting the status quo, he wants to talk about it with more candor than I've ever seen from any political figure, ever, on any subject. And I think, and I think a lot of other people think, that by talking about it and laying it all out there, we're taking a massive first step in trying to actually do something about it, instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

ETA: I once lived and worked in Berkeley, in the flats, though I never went to school there. That may influence your reading of this post.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Only judges on the Federal Circuit give more conclusory opinions than that.

IP rights are a creature of statute, authorized by the constitution. Why should the rights regarding restrictions on sales be broader than for any other form of property?

we're talking past each other. if I have a patent you can't sell something that infringes. If I don't have a patent you don't infringe. if what you want to sell will infringe then you need some justification. "you bought it in Canada?" sorry that fails for the two reasons I list (besides the FTC etc.)

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
2. To the extent that I had any religious upbringing (8 years of catholic school, but no real religion at home aside for attendance the once-in-a-lifetime sacraments) I was raised to believe that clergy is more or less fungible. The homilies are dicta.

I don't know how it works in other churches, but they did a pretty good job at the hard sell in convincing me that there wasn't any other place to go. And I tend to still think that even though I'm as lapsed as a Catholic can get. I'll reject, I'll renounce, and I'll sing to the rooftops how the Roman Catholic Church's stances on a variety of issues is wrong. But ultimately, I'll self-identify as Catholic, and instinctively find myself getting defensive of the Church if it's attacked in certain ways.

I don't think it really matters.

Everything I've seen of Barack Obama in the last two years or so, and especially that speech today, indicates to me that he expressly does NOT hold the views that his former pastor espoused that were so objectionable.

But even more fundamentally, I'd rather have a leader who understands that there are people in this country who think that "God damn America" is more appropriate than "God bless America" than a leader that pretends that we're all hunky dory and can't imagine a better life. Or worse, tells them to love it or leave it.

And more importantly, I think that he understands why some people feel that way. And instead of feeling hopeless about it, instead of accepting the status quo, he wants to talk about it with more candor than I've ever seen from any political figure, ever, on any subject. And I think, and I think a lot of other people think, that by talking about it and laying it all out there, we're taking a massive first step in trying to actually do something about it, instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

ETA: I once lived and worked in Berkeley, in the flats, though I never went to school there. That may influence your reading of this post.

i'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on you and atticus. BO could have said any number of thing about the minister, he could have said black people can't be racists in the same way white people are. Fuck. Running today I listened to Dead Prez's wolves. What the guy said wasn't that much out there.

But what he said was he can't write off the guy more than he could write off granny. if the guy was his other grandparent i see that.

What I don't see is how he isn't saying it's okay to have a racist minister is different than it's okay to have a racist friend.* do you think it's okay, or is it different? wait, factoid to help us work through this: Wonk- is there only 1 church in Chicago?


*in the middle of a speech that I thought was 90% great, but this one point, it bothers me, can one of you help me?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
we're talking past each other. if I have a patent you can't sell something that infringes. If I don't have a patent you don't infringe. if what you want to sell will infringe then you need some justification. "you bought it in Canada?" sorry that fails for the two reasons I list (besides the FTC etc.)

It is a damn good thing you are not any kind of teacher. I hope you don't try to mentor any young associates, and aren't on any cross-functional teams w/in your firm.