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[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I heard someone on the radio this morning recalling that he was critical of Michael Vick for not owning up to everything early on. I think this is a case of people not agreeing on which story to get out.

And I agree. In an ideal world, domestic violence in this country would be taken seriously. But realistically, cops show up, take a few statements, and everyone goes back into the house unless someone wants to file charges.

She's a buck-ten dripping wet. He can bench 300lbs and hit a ball 320 yards, routinely. If she had a gun, I'd be frightened for his life. But as things stand, this sounds like a couple having the mother of all arguments after his mistress accidentally called to wish him a happy Thanksgiving on the main home number.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

she's a buck-ten dripping wet. He can bench 300lbs and hit a ball 320 yards, routinely. If she had a gun, i'd be frightened for his life. But as things stand, this sounds like a couple having the mother of all arguments after his mistress accidentally called to wish him a happy thanksgiving on the main home number.

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[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

He's got the holidays coming up. If he gets to the third week of December with minimal fanfare, he might be able to succeed with the lockdown approach.

You are either crazy or don't realize how big dirt on someone who's never shown any dirt before (and who has the stature of Woods) is. If he played in the Chevron and answered some questions, then maybe it dies down. But if he sits on this, he's going to still be answering questions on this leading up to the Masters. And the story will get completely away from him.

TM

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You are either crazy or don't realize how big dirt on someone who's never shown any dirt before (and who has the stature of Woods) is. If he played in the Chevron and answered some questions, then maybe it dies down. But if he sits on this, he's going to still be answering questions on this leading up to the Masters. And the story will get completely away from him.

TM

I just don't really get what the big deal is. He's such a non-controversial, inoffensive, bland person. I get why people care about salacious details about douchebags or entitled princesses or a political figure -- its schadenfreude (sp) and those people always have enemies. But this isn't the president with a cigar in the oval office. It's boring old Tiger Woods who wants to sell me a Buick.

(I realize he has a big stature and makes a point of being squeaky clean. But how can a guy like this have enemies? He's too dull)

[PresentTense Pirate Penske]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Come on. If these were normal people, the cops would have shown up, written a report about the accident and left. There would be no super-sleuthing and they sure as hell wouldn't be driving out there 3 times to interview him about domestic violence for what amounts to some fucking scratches.

But Tiger screwed this up. He should have told the cops the truth, done the interview at the time of the accident and had Elin get processed and released that night. Sure, there would be a story there, but it would go away after Tiger's next win. Now, half the story is the concealment, which will feed on itself.

These people have too many people who are watching out for his image. They need to justify to him why he's paying them so much, so they overdo stupid little shit like this. Unless there's something huge that no one knows about (like the skank is prego, which would probably get out at some point anyway even with an abortion), he should have just dealt with it right away.

TM

More or less I agree, but it depends on how you define "normal people" as to how the cops would have acted. Normal people in his neighbourhood, you are most likely correct. Normal people in a middle class neighbourhood, more likely than not you are correct. Normal people in a lower income neighbourhood, someone would have ended up in the stir.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

I just don't really get what the big deal is. He's such a non-controversial, inoffensive, bland person. I get why people care about salacious details about douchebags or entitled princesses or a political figure -- its schadenfreude (sp) and those people always have enemies. But this isn't the president with a cigar in the oval office. It's boring old Tiger Woods who wants to sell me a Buick.

(I realize he has a big stature and makes a point of being squeaky clean. But how can a guy like this have enemies? He's too dull)

Yep. Possibly the best golfer to ever play. But personality-wise, he's a wet blanket.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You are either crazy or don't realize how big dirt on someone who's never shown any dirt before (and who has the stature of Woods) is. If he played in the Chevron and answered some questions, then maybe it dies down. But if he sits on this, he's going to still be answering questions on this leading up to the Masters. And the story will get completely away from him.

TM

Clarification: I don't disagree with your argument that a different approach from the outset was preferable. But he is where he is (once you take the Nixonian "stonewall" approach, you can't do much else). And he's not necessarily doomed. He might be able to pull it off. Limbaugh was a monster celebrity everybody wanted to destroy and walked away from far worse by simply shutting down and refusing to talk. Woods didn't need to to do that, but he did, and I think he still might succeed with it.

In fact, I'll go one step further and say that if the media attacks him in a sleazy fashion and rips into his family, he might get a Joseph Welch moment out of this while mess. We might find people saying, "Leave him alone. He's done nothing but perform for all of you and excel at what he does. Give his family their dignity and let this pass."

Or maybe I'm crazy.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

I just don't really get what the big deal is. He's such a non-controversial, inoffensive, bland person. I get why people care about salacious details about douchebags or entitled princesses or a political figure -- its schadenfreude (sp) and those people always have enemies. But this isn't the president with a cigar in the oval office. It's boring old Tiger Woods who wants to sell me a Buick.

(I realize he has a big stature and makes a point of being squeaky clean. But how can a guy like this have enemies? He's too dull)

Isn't that the point? He is the perfect golfer, with no enemies, no problems, a beautiful wife and family, a bajillion dollars and a squeaky-clean image. He has carefully learned from Jordan (who shit all over Ali's legacy by taking a stance on, roughly, nothing in favor of the extra hundred million dollars on top of the $800 million he would have earned anyway) and has used his multicultural background to bring people in, without ever having to be multicultural. Hell, in most Americans' eyes, he's black, and this black guy married the hottest, whitest woman he could find. In Asia, he is Asian. In other places, he is just a brown man tearing it up in a white man's game and world. And to the people with money, he is completely unthreatening. He has carefully cultivated the perfect image. After thinking about all that, why wouldn't you think a salacious story would be huge? "Who wants to be the first to tarnish that image?!" Only every journalist and gossip site in the world.

TM

[PresentTense Pirate Penske]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

I just don't really get what the big deal is. He's such a non-controversial, inoffensive, bland person. I get why people care about salacious details about douchebags or entitled princesses or a political figure -- its schadenfreude (sp) and those people always have enemies. But this isn't the president with a cigar in the oval office. It's boring old Tiger Woods who wants to sell me a Buick.

(I realize he has a big stature and makes a point of being squeaky clean. But how can a guy like this have enemies? He's too dull)

Golf not's even a sport (its a game at best). Why anyone cares I have no idea. Personally, I miss the Octo-mom, what happened to her?

[Gattigap]

Originally Posted by PresentTense Pirate Penske

Golf not's even a sport (its a game at best). Why anyone cares I have no idea. Personally, I miss the Octo-mom, what happened to her?

Off screwing Jon Gosselin.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Clarification: I don't disagree with your argument that a different approach from the outset was preferable. But he is where he is (once you take the Nixonian "stonewall" approach, you can't do much else). And he's not necessarily doomed. He might be able to pull it off. Limbaugh was a monster celebrity everybody wanted to destroy and walked away from far worse by simply shutting down and refusing to talk. Woods didn't need to to do that, but he did, and I think he still might succeed with it.

I don't know. Limbaugh has rabid, lunatic, mentally retarded followers who want to believe that the government will do anything to take him out. Outside of professing his love for Obama, I don't believe there is much he could do that would fuck up his celebrity with those that make up his audience. Tiger is just a golfer. And, although his fans (and I include myself in that group) are amazed by him, he really only gives a shit about his image and his corporate deals. At this point, I doubt he'd give a shit about majors if he thought he'd earn more by skipping them.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

In fact, I'll go one step further and say that if the media attacks him in a sleazy fashion and rips into his family, he might get a Joseph Welch moment out of this while mess. We might find people saying, "Leave him alone. He's done nothing but perform for all of you and excel at what he does. Give his family their dignity and let this pass."

I think people love to see the mighty fall. And, although I doubt this stupid story will ever be close to bringing him down, I doubt we'll see the reaction you outlined, especially if he never actually discusses what really happened.

TM

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Isn't that the point? He is the perfect golfer, with no enemies, no problems, a beautiful wife and family, a bajillion dollars and a squeaky-clean image. He has carefully learned from Jordan (who shit all over Ali's legacy by taking a stance on, roughly, nothing in favor of the extra hundred million dollars on top of the $800 million he would have earned anyway) and has used his multicultural background to bring people in, without ever having to be multicultural. Hell, in most Americans' eyes, he's black, and this black guy married the hottest, whitest woman he could find. In Asia, he is Asian. In other places, he is just a brown man tearing it up in a white man's game and world. And to the people with money, he is completely unthreatening. He has carefully cultivated the perfect image. After thinking about all that, why wouldn't you think a salacious story would be huge? "Who wants to be the first to tarnish that image?!" Only every journalist and gossip site in the world.

TM

Yeah, you make very good points. If you put it that way, I can see how it's intriguing.

I guess this is for other people to get excited about and not me. I like the Elliot Spitzer-style scandals and can get worked up about Kobe Bryant rape-like stuff. To me, this feels like Octomom/Jon & Kate blah.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Hell, in most Americans' eyes, he's black

TM

No. Every time I see and hear him talk, I think of Eddie Murphy's impression of a white guy.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by PresentTense Pirate Penske

Golf not's even a sport (its a game at best). Why anyone cares I have no idea. Personally, I miss the Octo-mom, what happened to her?

duece.

Any big scandals recently in the Chess world?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

At this point, I doubt he'd give a shit about majors if he thought he'd earn more by skipping them.

I don't think so. I think he wants the record.