All Hank, all the time.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Closed tribunals.

There is no surer nor swifter threat to democracy.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I guess I find it odd that people can be so libertarian when it comes to economic policy and cultural matters and so statist when it comes to the police power.

If you mean Penske, what ties the positions together is that he reallly likes to get fucked up the ass.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Whatever it takes, after all the ends justify the means, no?

No.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by sgtclub
So you are now in favor of the Iraq war?

I've said all along that I didn't think we should have gone in, but having dome so, we couldn't pull out without leaving some kind of lasting order. At one point I hoped we could plan a staged pullout over the course of a few years. Subsequent events have led me to change my mind on that score.

However, you are either missing or ignoring my main point. Far more important than being in Iraq is a presence in Israel, Lebanon, and Syria.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
If you mean Penske, what ties the positions together is that he reallly likes to get fucked up the ass.

Bunifa told me you liked pegging, and I was just trying to emulate you.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Like 1973 all over again.

Huh?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
There is no surer nor swifter threat to democracy.

Dissent. we have to use every means in our arsenal to defeat the enemy. You are either with us or with them.


Choose or lose.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
No.

someone should have told the Clinton administration that.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Dissent. we have to use every means in our arsenal to defeat the enemy. You are either with us or with them.


Choose or lose.

I'm calling asshole at this point and putting you in time out until you learn to behave.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Like I said, they make Rumsfeld look vaguely competent. And he is way better than they are at coming up with vaguely plausible inane excuses.

While I didn't follow the Israeli statements closely, I doubt that they were promising a quick, complete, and transformative victory.

And their reasons for not carrying out a massive ground war -- to avoid tens of thousands of dead civilians -- strike me as better than Rummy's reason for not putting in enough troops ("There's no need! we will be greeted as liberators!")

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Huh?

At the start of the Yom Kippur War, Egypt (in particular) used Soviet-designed antitank missiles to great effect against the IDF, in marked contrast to what happened in the Six Day War six years earlier.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
someone should have told the Clinton administration that.

I thought your problem with Waco was that that was the approach Janet Reno took to enforcing federal firearms laws.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I'm calling asshole at this point and putting you in time out until you learn to behave.

Why, why do you feel the need to give the enemy any greater rights than they give us? Did the people in the WTC get open hearings before they were executed? A last meal?

Why do you want to give these radical Islamists anymore? If President Gore had handed over the keys to bin Laden do you think the al Qaeda secret police would have given you due process when they knocked on your front door?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I thought your problem with Waco was that that was the approach Janet Reno took to enforcing federal firearms laws.

It certainly re-inforces my contingency plan to shoot first and answer questions later if and when the government comes knocking at my door.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why, why do you feel the need to give the enemy any greater rights than they give us? Did the people in the WTC get open hearings before they were executed? A last meal?

Why do you want to give these radical Islamists anymore? If President Gore had handed over the keys to bin Laden do you think the al Qaeda secret police would have given you due process when they knocked on your front door?

Why do you feel the need to destroy our legal system simply because a bunch of radical Islamists terrorists would do things differently?

Originally posted by Penske_Account
It certainly re-inforces my contingency plan to shoot first and answer questions later if and when the government comes knocking at my door.

If I didn't find conservative hypocrisy so boring I might point it out here.