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[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
my mother in law explained it to me regarding the Pa. license plates "you've got a friend in Pa."

Perhaps you would like to take this up with Mrs. Kravitz?

Feel free to forward my explanation to her. She can contact me here on the board.

[NotFromHere]

[nononono]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
It is the falsely classy in you. That makes people say things like "between you and I."

Actually, I think "have got" is not favored, but it is past perfect and nfh's use of it indicates that she got reggie bush sometime in the past, and continues to have [in the non-helping verb way] him.

My sense was that "have got" is more acceptable in British English vs. American. And then I did find at least one person who sort of implies the same:

Unfortunately, there is nothing wrong or ungrammatical about "to have got." This is completely standard in both American and British dialects, with stronger ties to British English. The only reason I can think of that you may find it awkward is that, in Standard American English, the past participle of "to get" is normally "gotten" rather than "got." This is one of the signs that this structure is more closely aligned with British English; the past participle of "to get," in British dialects of English, is "got" rather than "gotten."

In British English, where the verb "to have" has a more limited use, "to have got" is the standard expression indicating possession. For example, in British English, the expression "to have children" means "to give birth to children." The expression "to have got children" means "to be responsible for raising children." Although this kind of problem does not happen in American English, the expression "to have got" is still a common and well-formed alternative to "to have."

Please note that, while the expression "to have got" can be used to replace "to have" in American English as a main verb or in complex structures, the two verbs are not completely interchangeable. Thus, sentences (1) through (3) below are all grammatical and widely acceptable with either "to have" or "to have got," but (3) is only acceptable with a change in meaning. Sentence pairs (4) and (5) are only grammatical with "have" and not with "have got."

1a) I have a car.
1b) I have got a car.
2a) I have to go to the store.
2b) I have got to go to the store.
3a) I have eggs for breakfast. (=I eat eggs)
3b) I have got eggs for breakfast. (=I possess eggs)
4a) I want to have Mary cater the party.
4b) *I want to have got Mary to cater the party.
5a) I have finished the work.
5b) *I have got finished the work.

So, in conclusion, I'm afraid that you're campaign to eradicate the expression "to have got" is probably doomed. You are going against centuries of English grammar and usage.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
She does that spray-on crap. Remember?

And I'm hoping that this investigation into Reggie Bush and the alleged money giving scandal does not affect his performance on the field this week. He's all I've got.

I have Reggie Bush too. I am not aware of the scandal. He should do well against the GB defense (sorry, Mr. Man), no?

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I have Reggie Bush too. I am not aware of the scandal. He should do well against the GB defense (sorry, Mr. Man), no?

LOS ANGELES - New Orleans Saints running back Reggie Bush and his family appear to have accepted gifts, money and other benefits worth more than $100,000 from two marketing agents while the Heisman Trophy winner was still playing at Southern California, according to a report posted Thursday on Yahoo.com.

The report says Michael Michaels, a marketing agency investor who wanted to represent the football star, and current Bush marketing agent Mike Ornstein lavished Bush and his family with gifts while he was still at USC, each hoping to entice him to sign with them once he left school.

Bush eventually chose Ornstein, which caused a falling out between Michaels and Bush’s family.
The NCAA prohibits student-athletes and their families from receiving extra benefits from agents or their representatives. Any improper benefits could lead to NCAA sanctions against USC and retroactively cost Bush his college eligibility and Heisman Trophy.

Any sanctions against USC would not break my heart. I'm still wounded by the whole Billy Joe Hobert scandal. Dumb fuck.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Feel free to forward my explanation to her. She can contact me here on the board.

you're trying to buiild a bridge from nfh's unfortunate usage to the mainland of proper English. alas, you've built a bridge on very faulty foundations, indeed. Between the 3 of you, you offer 3 justifications.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
It's so nice that you remember these things!

And here is something unrelated for me to whine about. Thanks to various manual labor jobs over the years involving digging and smacking a shovel into hard ground, my right hand is totally fucked up. Frequently I wake up with my right hand totally clenched in a claw-like position and today I woke up with no feeling in my right index finger. Now the feeling is back but it's fading now and then. I'm beginning to think I have serious nerve damage in that hand. Fuck.

I lose feeling to certain of my fingers all the time. I have all my life. They just turn completely white (whiter?) and are dead until they get warm enough/circulation returns. This was a much more severe problem when I lived in northern climes. I actually went to a rheumatologist (or however you spell that) at some point for some unrelated problem and found out that there is a name for my losing circulation thing AND that it is one of the indicators for that horrible skin-hardening disease (skleraderma?) that Jason Alexander's sister has. Luckily only one of several indicators, and I don't have the others really. So anyway, live and learn. I'm not sure how this relates to you or to planting trees or to boxing, but maybe it isn't all about you, gwnc. Have you ever considered that? Me neither.

AND tying threads together... One of the things that would almost certainly lead to the loss of circulation in my fingers was cleaning lettuce for salads when I worked at Friendly's (hi rp! hi dtb!). See, I usually lost circulation from having cold hands and having my hands immersed in very cold water for several minutes at a time would frequently trigger the problem. As would not wearing gloves during the winter. So I am in sunny LA (not particularly sunny today) for medical reasons. I'm like the old ladies who move to Phoenix.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Mrs. Wonk is a health and science writer and she says the same thing about sprouts.

So does Mr. Man's sister, who is a nurse (and bone collector, but I digress). However since she refuses to eat any vegetables at all, we usually don't take nutritional advice from her. (or fish, or anything other than hamburgers plain, from the best I can tell).

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
. I'm not sure how this relates to you or to planting trees or to boxing, but maybe it isn't all about you, gwnc. Have you ever considered that? Me neither.

It (gwnc's) sounds like carpal tunnel syndrome, or some form of it. I had it years ago from sports, and every so often it comes back. But I gave up pummeling weanies in bars and on the beach years ago, and the problem has subsided.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
LOS ANGELES - New Orleans Saints running back Reggie Bush and his family appear to have accepted gifts, money and other benefits worth more than $100,000 from two marketing agents while the Heisman Trophy winner was still playing at Southern California, according to a report posted Thursday on Yahoo.com.

The report says Michael Michaels, a marketing agency investor who wanted to represent the football star, and current Bush marketing agent Mike Ornstein lavished Bush and his family with gifts while he was still at USC, each hoping to entice him to sign with them once he left school.

Bush eventually chose Ornstein, which caused a falling out between Michaels and Bush’s family.
The NCAA prohibits student-athletes and their families from receiving extra benefits from agents or their representatives. Any improper benefits could lead to NCAA sanctions against USC and retroactively cost Bush his college eligibility and Heisman Trophy.

Any sanctions against USC would not break my heart. I'm still wounded by the whole Billy Joe Hobert scandal. Dumb fuck.

How is this supposed to affect him and the Saints? I don't see it. Are you just saying because he might be worried or something? I'd think he is more mentally tough than that.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
LOS ANGELES - New Orleans Saints running back Reggie Bush and his family appear to have accepted gifts, money and other benefits worth more than $100,000 from two marketing agents while the Heisman Trophy winner was still playing at Southern California, according to a report posted Thursday on Yahoo.com.

The report says Michael Michaels, a marketing agency investor who wanted to represent the football star, and current Bush marketing agent Mike Ornstein lavished Bush and his family with gifts while he was still at USC, each hoping to entice him to sign with them once he left school.

Bush eventually chose Ornstein, which caused a falling out between Michaels and Bush’s family.
The NCAA prohibits student-athletes and their families from receiving extra benefits from agents or their representatives. Any improper benefits could lead to NCAA sanctions against USC and retroactively cost Bush his college eligibility and Heisman Trophy.

Any sanctions against USC would not break my heart. I'm still wounded by the whole Billy Joe Hobert scandal. Dumb fuck.

Who came in second in voting? Vince Young? Who wants the Heisman with an asterisk by his name?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Who wants the Heisman with an asterisk by his name?

the guy who bought OJ's from auction?

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
It (gwnc's) sounds like carpal tunnel syndrome, or some form of it. I had it years ago from sports, and every so often it comes back. But I gave up pummeling weanies in bars and on the beach years ago, and the problem has subsided.

Yikes. Oh well. I'll stop complaining because I'm not about to give up hitting people. But fuck. that is a bummer.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
How is this supposed to affect him and the Saints? I don't see it. Are you just saying because he might be worried or something? I'd think he is more mentally tough than that.

When will these guys learn? If you're going to take money from agents before you complete your eligibility, you have to limit yourself to one agent. If you take money from more than one, you know the guy you don't ultimately sign with is going to rat you out to the NCAA.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
How is this supposed to affect him and the Saints? I don't see it. Are you just saying because he might be worried or something? I'd think he is more mentally tough than that.

It's a distraction. Guys that age are easily distracted. It's what kept Billy Joe Hobert from really reaching his potential. Well, that and the death threats from alumni.