Objectively intelligent.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

There were a few people in there who looked scary. Masks, Kevlar, etc. (But even those morons had their phones and parts of their faces photographed, allowing for tracing and identification.). But!!! If— if they’d enough zip cuffs, they’d have taken everyone hostage, and we’d have had to acquiesce to a Trump second term!

Am I really having this conversation?

Nah but we are probably talking double digit dead bodies.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

umm when did I say it was okay?

You didn't. That wasn't my point.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

ummm there was never a determination of that to uphold.

You and I are both old enough to remember that the U.S. Supreme Court stopped the Florida recount.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

How many elected Congressmen need to be zip tied and held hostage in return for demands about overturnin the election do you require before you will admit that, for some, it was an attack on democracy? Over/under 1.5? BUt there are good people on both sides. OK, Donald.

I think Sebby will need to see more than just a few zip ties.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You and I are both old enough to remember that the U.S. Supreme Court stopped the Florida recount.

Sure do. Stopped that one weird guy from guessing how a hanging chad was intended. But you said someone (not worth me scrolling back to figur out who) was about to announce algore won. IIRC the onliest one who announced a winner was the Secretary of State, who is the one that is supposed to annouce it.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

There were a few people in there who looked scary. Masks, Kevlar, etc. (But even those morons had their phones and parts of their faces photographed, allowing for tracing and identification.). But!!! If— if they’d enough zip cuffs, they’d have taken everyone hostage, and we’d have had to acquiesce to a Trump second term!

Am I really having this conversation?

Well, those nuts could have captured/killed some congresspeople, yes? And then could the vote be counted? Rudy suspended an election on 9/11 (he had to, I'm not dogging on him for that), Do you think space fuck couldn't have tried that? And I still don't know, am not sure there even is an answer, what if Trump ordered the military to do X?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Sure do. Stopped that one weird guy from guessing how a hanging chad was intended. But you said someone (not worth me scrolling back to figur out who) was about to announce algore won. IIRC the onliest one who announced a winner was the Secretary of State, who is the one that is supposed to annouce it.

It was pretty clear at the time that if the recounts had continued under the color of state law, Gore would have won. It wasn't the Secretary of State's job to set the standards for counting ballots. Maybe you are forgetting how a bunch of GOP operatives staged a faux riot to try to stop the counting. For the most part, it wasn't Democrats who tried to stop counting votes. There is a reason for that.

FWIW, I was involved in some of the litigation, on Gore's side of course.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It was pretty clear at the time that if the recounts had continued under the color of state law, Gore would have won. It wasn't the Secretary of State's job to set the standards for counting ballots. Maybe you are forgetting how a bunch of GOP operatives staged a faux riot to try to stop the counting. For the most part, it wasn't Democrats who tried to stop counting votes. There is a reason for that.

FWIW, I was involved in some of the litigation, on Gore's side of course.

1) you are wrong.

2) years later the count was proven for W.

3) algore was trying to steal an election, which we all now know is bad. You didn’t know it at the time, but I did.

4) algore Prez would have left this place a train wreck.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

1) you are wrong.

2) years later the count was proven for W.

3) algore was trying to steal an election, which we all now know is bad. You didn’t know it at the time, but I did.

4) algore Prez would have left this place a train wreck.

1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Incorrect. Really?
4. I fear I’m whiffing here. Our world would be far better if he’d won. Imagine if we’d no Iraq War II? Look up the price of it.

[Replaced_Texan]

Just as an FYI, I'm not going to let him post here.

We will not be the last refuge.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

1) you are wrong.

2) years later the count was proven for W.

3) algore was trying to steal an election, which we all now know is bad. You didn’t know it at the time, but I did.

4) algore Prez would have left this place a train wreck.

I think it actually all comes down to hanging chads. The count was close enough so how one interpretted a number of thousands of challenged votes would determine the outcome. Unlike this time, I think most of those were good challenges - there was something about the ballots that rendered them potentially ambiguous. It ended in a very bad way, with an explicitly partisan Supreme Court decision. But it did end.

Gore was a grown up, and there would have been significant continuity on almost all fronts. We all know the discontinuity on the national security front may have played a role in the government missing signals about 9-11, we all know the excesses of Bushes tax and economic policies and the laxness of his regulatory policies (and possibly also the laxness of Clinton's regulatory policies) contributed to the recession at the end of his term. And that's not even getting into Iraq II, which had a lot to do with Bush's Daddy Issues and little to do with sound foreign policy. Of course Gore would have made some mistakes, too, but Bush made some pretty big ones.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Just as an FYI, I'm not going to let him post here.

We will not be the last refuge.

Thank you.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I saw a clown car of opioid addicts, QAnon loons, and middle aged burnouts trash the Capitol for an hour. This is a serious threat to our democracy as a pothole might stop a tank.

I forgot to mention the non-serious, non-threatening, poppy smoking, middlle-aged Iranians in 1979, or fey artists in Spain in 1937, or tiny Chinese weaklings in 1947, or the lamest of asshole, thieving cowards named Fidel and Che. Stop equivocating.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I think it actually all comes down to hanging chads. The count was close enough so how one interpretted a number of thousands of challenged votes would determine the outcome. Unlike this time, I think most of those were good challenges - there was something about the ballots that rendered them potentially ambiguous. It ended in a very bad way, with an explicitly partisan Supreme Court decision.

I'm not interested in relitigating the substantive issues that the US Supreme Court decided when it halted ongoing state-court proceedings. The point, which seems pretty obvious, is that having the election decided in that fashion was bad for democracy. There is a direct line between the Supreme Court's Bush v. Gore decision and the theory concocted by Republicans twenty years later that they can disregard a state's votes if they have the votes in Congress. Twenty years ago, their anti-democratic theories involved the federal courts. This year, when they lost in the federal courts, that didn't stop them. Democracy doesn't die all at once, but in steps.



Which is not to say that the damage he's done is fatal. It's up to us, now.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I
The point, which seems pretty obvious, is that having the election decided in that fashion was bad for democracy. There is a direct line between the Supreme Court's Bush v. Gore decision and the theory concocted by Republicans twenty years later that they can disregard a state's votes if they have the votes in Congress. Twenty years ago, their anti-democratic theories involved the federal courts. This year, when they lost in the federal courts, that didn't stop them. Democracy doesn't die all at once, but in steps.

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I watched on TV while Fla. libs were trying to steal the election, change the count. You are not stupid, but you are blinded by your bias. Trust me on this.

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