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[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In 2100, historians will gratefully thank Howard Dean for holding the line on the race to have the first primary, lest they be voting in the Democratic primary for the 2116 general election.

Good point, but keep in mind, you're applauding the judgment of Howard Dean. This is not a man who knows much about getting elected, however sound the reasoning for his position might be.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

I just opened my Yahoo email and saw this headline - "Bernanke warns of possible recession."

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I understand. But that doesn't change the fact that the Dems are now going to lose because a candidate who otherwise would have won both states - crucial to winning the national vote - will not get the nod, while a candidate who gamed the system and won a pile of states he's going to lose this Fall did.

Is your view that Hillary would have won both states in the general election based on her showing in the primary votes in those states, or something else?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
shit you all keep saying obama is in because of a huge popular vote lead, but what you really mean is "he has a huge lead in the states we've decided to count."

My gosh Hank, you are a nuisance sock!

Guess what -- even if you give Clinton her delegates from Michigan and Florida, Obama is still winning.

S_A_M

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ironweed
Is your view that Hillary would have won both states in the general election based on her showing in the primary votes in those states, or something else?

Yes. She'd have won Florida unquestionably, based on the outcome in its non-counted primary and the older, more conservative voters there. As to Michigan, it's a bit more complicated. I think she'd have won there for many of the same reasons she won Ohio and will succeed in PA.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
And you realize that is macro policy response, effectively saying "Go ahead, kill the hostages."

Don't worry Sebby -- I'm secretly sending weapons to Slave.

S_A_M

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
My gosh Hank, you are a nuisance sock!

Guess what -- even if you give Clinton her delegates from Michigan and Florida, Obama is still winning.

S_A_M

Yes, but if he can't win Florida and Ohio, he's dead. She has an argument that he's ahead on numbers, but DOA in a general election.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Yes, but if he can't win Florida and Ohio, he's dead. She has an argument that he's ahead on numbers, but DOA in a general election.

If he can't beat McCain in November in Ohio AND Florida, he is dead. If he can't beat HC in Ohio and Florida in the Spring, he can still be the nominee.

S_A_M

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Yes. She'd have won Florida unquestionably, based on the outcome in its non-counted primary and the older, more conservative voters there. As to Michigan, it's a bit more complicated. I think she'd have won there for many of the same reasons she won Ohio and will succeed in PA.

Ok. I think assumptions based on her showing in those two votes may be flawed since the process was compromised from the start, i.e., people didn't campaign, or campaign as hard, or bother to get their names on the ballot because they knew nothing would come of it.

I also think it's a stretch to say that McCain is a lock for the general election because Hillary voters won't vote for Obama in a general election and vice versa. Maybe there are polls that say this, but I know how you feel about polls.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
but every state counts RT. it is really interesting how uniform you guys are in this argument.

Exactly. Michigan and Florida will be seated. They will count.

ETA: Jesus fucking Christ. If the Hillary plan for world domination had gone right, no one would give a fuck about Florida and Michigan because she would have swept Super Tuesday and the whole thing would have been over two months ago. Certainly Hank and Slave wouldn't give a flying fuck about "disenfranchisement." And I don't hear all that many people crying about the poor Republicans in North Carolina and Nebraska that didn't have a chance to have a meaningful vote for their Presidential nominee.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You were crying a river when Hank's friends and neighbors trooped off to vote on a ballot that didn't Obama on it, I'm sure.

why was he not on it?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Exactly. Michigan and Florida will be seated. They will count.

ETA: Jesus fucking Christ. If the Hillary plan for world domination had gone right, no one would give a fuck about Florida and Michigan because she would have swept Super Tuesday and the whole thing would have been over two months ago. Certainly Hank and Slave wouldn't give a flying fuck about "disenfranchisement." And I don't hear all that many people crying about the poor Republicans in North Carolina and Nebraska that didn't have a chance to have a meaningful vote for their Presidential nominee.

i don't give a fuck about disenfranchisement. i'm just asking if there is a tiny little bit of contrary arguments between two positions.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
And I don't hear all that many people crying about the poor Republicans in North Carolina and Nebraska that didn't have a chance to have a meaningful vote for their Presidential nominee.

The Republican winner-take-all rules are designed to ensure that many -- or most, in states like Washington, where McCain took 25% of the vote in the caucuses and the other 3/4s of the voters did not get a single delegate -- GOP voters are not represented at the party's conventions.

Since Hillary is not trumpeting their plight, Hank and Slave are as yet untroubled by this.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
why was he not on it?

Are you planning to turn this into an avatar?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The Republican winner-take-all rules are designed to ensure that many -- or most, in states like Washington, where McCain took 25% of the vote in the caucuses and the other 3/4s of the voters did not get a single delegate -- GOP voters are not represented at the party's conventions.

Since Hillary is not trumpeting their plight, Hank and Slave are as yet untroubled by this.

again, so you can't claim not to hear, your guys were the ones bawling about every vote being precious. you guys treat vote like born-agains with fetuses when you are running against a R.