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Adder · 08-17-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Question for constitutional scholars: If President Bush has the Article II power to order the wiretapping notwithstanding FISA, assuming that FISA forbids such activity, why does he have to obey an injunction to stop?

Because to not do so is to throw out our system of checks and balances entirely.

Adder · 08-17-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The trouble begins here....

We shall see. Yesterday a flight was diverted because a middle eastern woman had a screw driver, vasoline, and multiple notes referencing al queda. Today it turns out it was just a clastrophobic woman who freaked out and had none of those things (although she had some prohibited hand cream).

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 08-17-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Question for constitutional scholars: If President Bush has the Article II power to order the wiretapping notwithstanding FISA, assuming that FISA forbids such activity, why does he have to obey an injunction to stop?

Because it is emphatically the province and duty of the courts to say what the law is.

If Bush didn't make the constitutional argument, and he's enjoined, then his lawyers did a bad job of lawyering.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-17-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Adder
We shall see. Yesterday a flight was diverted because a middle eastern woman had a screw driver, vasoline, and multiple notes referencing al queda. Today it turns out it was just a clastrophobic woman who freaked out and had none of those things (although she had some prohibited hand cream).

You're missing the big news -- that robots have infiltrated the West Virginia State Police.

I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords from the West Virginia State Police.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-17-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Because it is emphatically the province and duty of the courts to say what the law is.

I hereby deputize you to answer Hank's follow-up questions on this point.

Shape Shifter · 08-17-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You're missing the big news -- that robots have infiltrated the West Virginia State Police.

I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords from the West Virginia State Police.

Where did they find inbred robots?

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-17-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by Adder
Today it turns out it was just a clastrophobic woman who freaked out and had none of those things (although she had some prohibited hand cream).

She peed on the floor, which is kinda like terrorism.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 08-17-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
She peed on the floor, which is kinda like terrorism.

Question -- if she was restrained in plastic cuffs, and the plane was being escorted by F-15s, why divert the flight to Boston rather than having it land at Dulles, where it was headed? Was there a ba (not a ba, a bomb) on the plane that was about to go off? I'm sure they disembarked right quick in Boston . . .

Hank Chinaski · 08-17-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Where did they find inbred robots?

oh please. you think your home state has a leg up on West Virginia? Huntington is almost DC bedroom community.

SlaveNoMore · 08-17-2006, 05:28 PM

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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Question -- if she was restrained in plastic cuffs, and the plane was being escorted by F-15s, why divert the flight to Boston rather than having it land at Dulles, where it was headed? Was there a ba (not a ba, a bomb) on the plane that was about to go off? I'm sure they disembarked right quick in Boston . . .

No one - outside of Boston - cares if you blow up Boston?

Just a guess.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 08-17-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
oh please. you think your home state has a leg up on West Virginia? Huntington is almost DC bedroom community.

Yet, curiously, Huntington is 275 miles from Detroit, whereas DC is 294 miles.

calculator

ltl/fb · 08-17-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
No one - outside of Boston - cares if you blow up Boston?

Just a guess.

Boston (to me) is kind of like NYC and SF. Just to update you.

Penske_Account · 08-17-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
She peed on the floor, which is kinda like terrorism.

I have read that drinking urine can cause renal failure, so there seems there was some danger to the other passengers. If she tried to pee in their mouths. But just peeing starts you down the slippery slope, so I think the arrest was warranted. eta: Figuratively. I am assuming no actual warrant was issued prior to the arrest.

Hank Chinaski · 08-17-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I have read that drinking urine can cause renal failure, so there seems there was some danger to the other passengers. If she tried to pee in their mouths. But just peeing starts you down the slippery slope, so I think the arrest was warranted. eta: Figuratively. I am assuming no actual warrant was issued prior to the arrest.

how did we come to know she had peed? isn't that the operative question? certainly peeing on a plane is fine- i have done so on several occasions. So it must be the manner or location of the peeing that is in question. I am troubled how the Bush administration went about discovering these facts w/o seeking a warrent.

Penske_Account · 08-17-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Should profiling of airline passengers based on ethnicity or race be allowed?

So far

Yes
1893 votes (87%)

No
283 votes (13%)

FWIW, these things usually skew more left than one might expect. Apparently a lot of Dems read the journal......know thy enemy, indeed.

Update:

Yes
5141 votes (86%)

No
811 votes (14%)