Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

There are some great religious charities out there, including hospitals run by religious groups, and I have no doubt that conservatives could, if they wanted to, build some great charitable hospitals providing free or subsidized care on top of government assistance as an alternative in the red states.

But the ones that exist now (with the possible exception of St. Jude's in Memphis) depend very heavily on government and insurer payments for healthcare and I expect would love to see Medicaid broadened. I know one person on the board who could tell us for sure what would help her red state health care system.

Oddly, more of the big charitable healthcare institutions in the country though are in blue states, like Mass, NY, Michigan, and California, and the Red States rely more on for-profit healthcare that more broadly discriminates against the poor.

So, I don't think conservatives as a whole have chosen to care.

No disagreement. There are surely great religious and non-religious charities out there. But the idea that the poor in this country will be taken care of more efficiently and on anywhere near the current scale if government eliminated all programs providing assistance and handed that money back to us, is so fucking patently and overwhelmingly preposterous that the only type of person who would make this argument would probably also fuck Ted Cruz willingly.

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

... is so fucking patently and overwhelmingly preposterous that the only type of person who would make this argument would probably also fuck Ted Cruz willingly.

TM

SEC Chick, we love you, but you got to admit he makes a good point....

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

It's the good old magical, unstoppable, hyper-Negro yarn that is either used to justify criminal behavior by the police or worse, actually believed to be true, which leads them to treat black people like wild animals that need to be put down.

TM

I have a new pet peeve on old yarns. One of my friends has a couple adamant Bernie supporters who keep going on and on on her FB page about blacks voting for Hillary being "low information voters". Often accompanied by a statement that they're voting against their self-interest and if they knew better they'd vote differently. WTF?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

There are some great religious charities out there, including hospitals run by religious groups, and I have no doubt that conservatives could, if they wanted to, build some great charitable hospitals providing free or subsidized care on top of government assistance as an alternative in the red states.

But the ones that exist now (with the possible exception of St. Jude's in Memphis) depend very heavily on government and insurer payments for healthcare and I expect would love to see Medicaid broadened. I know one person on the board who could tell us for sure what would help her red state health care system.

Oddly, more of the big charitable healthcare institutions in the country though are in blue states, like Mass, NY, Michigan, and California, and the Red States rely more on for-profit healthcare that more broadly discriminates against the poor.

So, I don't think conservatives as a whole have chosen to care.

Do other state's have Shriners? They will take care of anyone who walks through of the door free of charge. Limited specialties, but they are amazing with their commitment to taking care of kids. The burn hospital in Galveston is world class. They are a bit of a pain in the butt to work with, though, because their board and hospitals aren't run by health care people but Shriners (a Freemason offshoot). So you have to explain every detail of why you can or can't do something. http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/ or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine...s_for_Children

ETA: Every major healthcare organization in the Houston area is not-for-profit or governmental, including Harris Health, Hermann Memorial Health System, CHI St. Luke's, Methodist, Texas Children's, and MD Anderson. It's probably because the Med Center charter requires all organizations within to be not-for-profit and the hospitals systems grew out of the med center. HCA tried to buy St. Luke's about 15 years ago, and the ensuing litigation pretty much ensured that no for-profits will try again. There are a few for profit regionals and a few physician own specialty hospitals, but the not-for-profits dominate the market.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I have a new pet peeve on old yarns. One of my friends has a couple adamant Bernie supporters who keep going on and on on her FB page about blacks voting for Hillary being "low information voters". Often accompanied by a statement that they're voting against their self-interest and if they knew better they'd vote differently. WTF?

Well, Bernie was active with civil rights in the 60s, so our interests are automatically aligned on every. single. issue. to the end of time. And no matter what Hillary's positions are currently, the fact that she supported Goldwater over 50 years ago means she is a secret racist, disingenuous, shifty, right-leaning faux democrat.

I will say this, though: It's been a tough row to hoe getting over her bullshit tactics during the primary in '08. I understand that she probably puts this kind of racial jiggery pokery piggledly pookery in the same bucket as all other political gamesmanship, but I don't view it that way. That shit really pissed me off.

http://theweek.com/articles/567774/h...-2008-campaign

TM

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Do other state's have Shriners?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Non-responsive. That's from True Stories, right?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Non-responsive. That's from True Stories, right?

DKs. Frankenchrist album cover.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Well, Bernie was active with civil rights in the 60s, so our interests are automatically aligned on every. single. issue. to the end of time. And no matter what Hillary's positions are currently, the fact that she supported Goldwater over 50 years ago means she is a secret racist, disingenuous, shifty, right-leaning faux democrat.

I will say this, though: It's been a tough row to hoe getting over her bullshit tactics during the primary in '08. I understand that she probably puts this kind of racial jiggery pokery piggledly pookery in the same bucket as all other political gamesmanship, but I don't view it that way. That shit really pissed me off.

http://theweek.com/articles/567774/h...-2008-campaign

TM

Yeah, back then I started out really on the fence between her and Obama and it's part of what pushed me to Obama. There are some excuses and some apologies, yadda, yadda, but for me the long and short of it is (i) she made peace with Obama and became a big part of his success, so maybe its worth forgiving some of it; and (ii) people sure as shit shouldn't forget it.

I give Bernie credit too for backing Jessie Jackson once upon a time; I think his campaign could use a little more Jessie in it, with his empowerment talk, as opposed to Bernie and his economics lectures. But my real problem at the moment is not what Bernie or Hillary did at any time in the past, its what some asshats are saying right now that makes me want to reach through the internet and strangle them.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Do other state's have Shriners? They will take care of anyone who walks through of the door free of charge. Limited specialties, but they are amazing with their commitment to taking care of kids. The burn hospital in Galveston is world class. They are a bit of a pain in the butt to work with, though, because their board and hospitals aren't run by health care people but Shriners (a Freemason offshoot). So you have to explain every detail of why you can or can't do something. http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/ or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine...s_for_Children

ETA: Every major healthcare organization in the Houston area is not-for-profit or governmental, including Harris Health, Hermann Memorial Health System, CHI St. Luke's, Methodist, Texas Children's, and MD Anderson. It's probably because the Med Center charter requires all organizations within to be not-for-profit and the hospitals systems grew out of the med center. HCA tried to buy St. Luke's about 15 years ago, and the ensuing litigation pretty much ensured that no for-profits will try again. There are a few for profit regionals and a few physician own specialty hospitals, but the not-for-profits dominate the market.

We got a shriners burn center here. Currently has a problem in that they have more resources than they need, as there are fewer burn victims than there used to be. So they're trying to figure out other related areas to cover. Great place.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I give Bernie credit too for backing Jessie Jackson once upon a time;

okay, you dragged me back in, you think JJ would have been a good president? His creds were???

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

DKs. Frankenchrist album cover.

Ah, yes, but that was taken in Texas.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

okay, you dragged me back in, you think JJ would have been a good president? His creds were???

Being one of the key leaders in the most important social movement in the last half of the 20th century, from Selma to Breadbasket to PUSH.

I know. That's nothing like say, being a first term Senator who is universally reviled by his peers or a guy who fired people on TV.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Being one of the key leaders in the most important social movement in the last half of the 20th century, from Selma to Breadbasket to PUSH.

I know. That's nothing like say, being a first term Senator who is universally reviled by his peers or a guy who fired people on TV.

smh

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

smh

smh^2