Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

My point, which is so obviously correct that you can't really disagree with it, is that the Democrats used their political power when they controlled Congress under Obama to change the law in ways that helped the poor at the expense of the rich, and the GOP is now doing the opposite.

If I'm being charitable to Sebby, I don't think it's unfair to say (1) they didn't do enough of it, and (2) they did some of the opposite the prior time they controlled the White House.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

By the way, have I mentioned that I am enjoying the silo metaphor. It has a resonance for us Midwestern folks that "echo chamber" never did. Is an echo chamber even a real thing? Is that something you all have out on the East Coast? Like, when you are exhausted from constantly having to listen with open minds to divergent viewpoints and from having to apply critical thinking not just to others' beliefs but your own as well, you treat yourself to a few hours in the echo chamber?

Pro-tip: If you have a big empty silo, you can get a pretty funky little echo going in it.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

The biggest reason money is getting concentrated is that unions have been busted. And there are lots of urban professionals who just don't give a shit, whether they are blue, red, purple or green.

Loss of unions is a part of it, but nowhere near the whole cause.

Re the urban professionals, that’s this board. I mean, everyone here jerks each other off about helping the poor, but not a one of us would dare fuck with the system in such a way that it damaged our revenue streams substantially.

We’re all about giving a few bucks more to the safety nets. But a policy that’d really help the lower classes at our expense? Fuck that.

I’m of the belief paralegals should be allowed to go to court on minor matters, that law schools should be two years, and that we should be allowed to split fees with non-lawyers. This would create loads of income in our field for non-lawyers, at cost us (we being beneficiaries of a license leveraging scheme). How many altruistic folks here would get behind that? Right. Tumbleweeds.

(Now cue some ass arguing that we need to limit who can practice this joke profession for “regulatory” reasons... to protect consumers.)

If this place isn’t the biggest parking lot for bullshit limousine liberals, I don’t know what is.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Break out! Get some Sebby stories of your own!

If you don't travel in Sebby's refined circles, make 'em up. Use this template:

(1) Name drop some asshole, make sure you use the first person to establish a relationship with them.
(2) Have them do something obnoxious
(3) Have nameless people react to it. They can laugh, gasp, choke, or almost have almost any reaction.
(3) Praise the ass for it.

Here's an example:

I remember that time Tomi Lahren went off on some Kennedy Kid. Called him a limp dick. Everyone laughed. Good stuff.

I deserve this. Hitchens should never have blurbed Lahren’s book.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

If I'm being charitable to Sebby, I don't think it's unfair to say (1) they didn't do enough of it, and (2) they did some of the opposite the prior time they controlled the White House.

Here’s the difference between the GOP and Democrats right now:

D: Fuck the poor’s prospects. Not much can be done. Give them dreams of retraining, and more charity. Make sure they vote for us.

R: Fuck the poor’s prospects. Not much can be done. And fuck their safety nets and charity, too. Lie to the dumbest of them to keep them voting for us.

Nobody has a serious plan to make the poor “un-poor.” They have plans to manage the poor.

Yes, the Ds are kinder. No doubt. The bag of shit the poor get from them is less pungent.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Your anecdote sounds made up to me. Until I consider where you live.

I know minority union members (in multiple states) who voted Trump because of TPP.

I think you have a tendency to call bullshit on anything that challenges certain assumptions you view as facts.

No. I call bullshit on your super-convenient cocktail-party based examples supporting your bullshit ongoing, amorphous, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants, made-up, disconnected, and often ridiculous, look-at-me-I'm-non-tribal!, political narrative.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

In an economically challenged state, Maslow’s Hierarchy often puts paying the mortgage above voting for beliefs. You don’t live in an economically challenged area.

You really don't know anything, do you?

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

No. I call bullshit on your super-convenient cocktail-party based examples supporting your bullshit ongoing, amorphous, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants, made-up, disconnected, and often ridiculous, look-at-me-I'm-non-tribal!, political narrative.

You really don't know anything, do you?

TM

I dont believe you know only one minority Trump voter.

You’re full of shit. And you’ll invent any argument or fact you need to suit your bias, which is the strongest in this board.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

So through decades of burned couches I’ve never been ashamed of my college, until this Nassar horror. Still I think the attack on basketball and football unfair. Nothing was hidden with either. Any thoughts?

I'm not sure what the fuck Izzo is doing with his current approach to questions about this. If he were smart, he'd have done a sit-down interview with Outside the Lines to get it all out. The questions about why the assistant coach was fired/placed on leave shortly(?) after he was accused of assault and/or sexual assault need to be addressed. I'm not sure how the accusation against the basketball players relates back to his program--I believe it came out after they left, but I could be very wrong.

He looks absolutely crazy dodging these questions with a "I support the survivors, I have and will cooperate with any investigation" response to everything.

TM

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I’m of the belief paralegals should be allowed to go to court on minor matters, that law schools should be two years, and that we should be allowed to split fees with non-lawyers. This would create loads of income in our field for non-lawyers, at cost us (we being beneficiaries of a license leveraging scheme). How many altruistic folks here would get behind that? Right. Tumbleweeds.

I'm fine with those things.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Loss of unions is a part of it, but nowhere near the whole cause.

Re the urban professionals, that’s this board. I mean, everyone here jerks each other off about helping the poor, but not a one of us would dare fuck with the system in such a way that it damaged our revenue streams substantially.

We’re all about giving a few bucks more to the safety nets. But a policy that’d really help the lower classes at our expense? Fuck that.

I’m of the belief paralegals should be allowed to go to court on minor matters, that law schools should be two years, and that we should be allowed to split fees with non-lawyers. This would create loads of income in our field for non-lawyers, at cost us (we being beneficiaries of a license leveraging scheme). How many altruistic folks here would get behind that? Right. Tumbleweeds.

(Now cue some ass arguing that we need to limit who can practice this joke profession for “regulatory” reasons... to protect consumers.)

If this place isn’t the biggest parking lot for bullshit limousine liberals, I don’t know what is.

Hey, the litigation aspect of law is something I'd make massive changes to. It's a crazy way to resolve disputes. Screw minor matters. I'd love to move to a judicial panel that doesn't require trained lawyers but has rotating non-lawyer experts advised by a lawyer, so a bunch of engineers and school teachers actually decide whether your patent is good or your motion should be heard, rather than a judge with a history of cozying up to politicians. The jury shouldn't be set off in a box on the side, they ought to be slimmed down and given the judge's seat.

And I'd let the judicial panel run discovery instead of the lawyers on either side.

Think bigger.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

D: Fuck the poor’s prospects. Not much can be done. Give them dreams of retraining, and more charity. Make sure they vote for us.

Yeah, that whole "expand Medicaid so more people can get health care" and "raise the minimum wage" and "make it easier to go to college" is nothing but a middle finger.

There's a huge difference between "can't help the truly fucked" (which is a much smaller group than you think it is) and "fuck them."

And, of course, the obstacle to doing more - childcare, for example - isn't the Dems.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I dont believe you know only one minority Trump voter.

You’re full of shit. And you’ll invent any argument or fact you need to suit your bias, which is the strongest in this board.

I'm not sure I know a single minority trump voter, other than one lyft driver I was chatting with one day in the car. I know one guy (hispanic) who thought about it until his wife set him straight.

I know a number of minority voters who have cast ballots for other republicans, including Charlie Baker.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I dont believe you know only one minority Trump voter.

This is a really strange probability to deny.

He lives in a blue city, in the city, in a blue state and we're talking about a tiny group of people.

There are really good reasons to avoid the suburbs, dude.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I'm not sure what the fuck Izzo is doing with his current approach to questions about this. If he were smart, he'd have done a sit-down interview with Outside the Lines to get it all out. The questions about why the assistant coach was fired/placed on leave shortly(?) after he was accused of assault and/or sexual assault need to be addressed. I'm not sure how the accusation against the basketball players relates back to his program--I believe it came out after they left, but I could be very wrong.

He looks absolutely crazy dodging these questions with a "I support the survivors, I have and will cooperate with any investigation" response to everything.

TM

it is curious. the two players were freshmen, I believe. as to why Walton was fired/quit, maybe there was some agreement, but he should at least say that. I think the guy leaving once accused is a positive, why create controversy where you did something correct? unless the school has a "shut up everyone" order in place.

what money Michigan has left after we settle with Flint residents is going to Nassar survivors. there are competing things going on that might impact him.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Here’s the difference between the GOP and Democrats right now:

D: Fuck the poor’s prospects. Not much can be done. Give them dreams of retraining, and more charity. Make sure they vote for us.

R: Fuck the poor’s prospects. Not much can be done. And fuck their safety nets and charity, too. Lie to the dumbest of them to keep them voting for us.

Nobody has a serious plan to make the poor “un-poor.” They have plans to manage the poor.

Yes, the Ds are kinder. No doubt. The bag of shit the poor get from them is less pungent.

The closest thing today to something like union bargaining to improve the life of a wide swath of people that can be done legislatively is the minimum wage. Find me a Republican who will go to $15.

Legally, there are some things that can be done to help unions in their current form, but the key thing is imagining how unions look when you have more transitory jobs rather than lifetime industrial plant jobs. Think carpenters and musicians for models. Then you have to get those models going in a broader range of industries, including in professional and tech offices.