Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Chris Mathews and Dick Armey have my proxy:

• One surprise: just heard [Chris Matthews] say flat out that reading the full transcript it's clear that Kerry was insulting the president, not the troops. Dick Armey was on at the time and essentially agreed and laughed about how funny it was that the GOP was feigning mock outrage.

Presumably, then, so does John Derbyshire.

• John Kerry is awful, and anything we can do further to degrade his political prospects is worth doing. But really, I saw a clip of him making the much-deplored remark, and it was obvious that the dimwit in Iraq that he referred to was George W. Bush, not the American soldier. It was a dumb joke badly delivered, but his meaning was plain. My pleasure in watching JK squirm is just as great as any other conservative's, but something is owed to honesty. There's a lot of fake outrage going round here.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Chris Mathews and Dick Armey have my proxy:

• One surprise: just heard [Chris Matthews] say flat out that reading the full transcript it's clear that Kerry was insulting the president, not the troops. Dick Armey was on at the time and essentially agreed and laughed about how funny it was that the GOP was feigning mock outrage.

watch the tape. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl..._Slackers&only transcript? of what, his script for some speech at a point when he isn't even running? I'm sure someone has created a script by now, but I'm also sure he was talking about how dumb anyone who volunteers for the army must be.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If a Dem was President, the robust economy would be the lead story of the NYT and the WaPo for the last 4 months.

Only if they're selling paper to rich investors, rather than to people who have to work for a living. Not that that's a bad business model.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What Rove wants is a story that will get Democrats talking about John Kerry being an idiot, etc., rather than whatever else they wanted to talk about. He wants to suck the oxygen out of whatever they're burning, and he wants to create some sense of momentum.* The story itself is not convincing anyone of anything. So Democrats like Ford distancing themselves from Kerry is just keeping this story aflame and moving.

All the Republicans who are talking up this story are just wishing it could be '04 again. If they close their eyes really hard and think happy thoughts, they can be running against John Kerry one more time.


* I apologize for the mixed metaphors.

over the years you and i have often had different predictions and evaluations of polical campaigns. I've worked in them at near spanky levels. I know how people think and react.

You and i have bet in the past on political campaigns. You have won 0% of those bet, and yet you continue to correct me when i give you solid political analysis. stop it.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Was this before or after Winnie had all those political rivals set on fire?

After.

And, if for no other reason than naked (future) self-interest, I'd think you'd be unwilling to attribute blame to a man for crimes committed by his ex-wife while he was locked away in prison (and had been for many years).

No one ever suggested that Nelson Mandela was pulling the strings or manipulating those events from Robbens Island.

S_A_M

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Chris Mathews and Dick Armey have my proxy:

• One surprise: just heard [Chris Matthews] say flat out that reading the full transcript it's clear that Kerry was insulting the president, not the troops. Dick Armey was on at the time and essentially agreed and laughed about how funny it was that the GOP was feigning mock outrage.

I like Dick Armey a lot more when he's out of office than when he's in office. He's said a lot of insightful things in the last six months or so.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
over the years you and i have often had different predictions and evaluations of polical campaigns.

We know. I, for one, am waiting to see how your predictions of 25-30 Dem Senate seats plays out. Crossed fingers, Hank!

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
It is useful for us all to look occasionally at most other nations, and even at most other people in this nation, to realize how lucky we are.

I remember a huge fight a few years back in which I was defending Mandela as a great man while someone (perhaps Hank's old SEF sock?) was decrying him as essentially a narrow-minded, evil socialist not worthy of any particular respect

S_A_M

It's even funnier to watch Democrats and Republicans debate over this election. Whoever wins, Congress will be moderates, ideologically blue dog Democrat/Rockefeller Republican.

Republicans are arguing in favor of a party that's abandoned their fiscally conservative views in favor of Democratic spending. Democrats are arguing in favor of candidates who've run on the platform of less spending and smaller govt.

Sounds to me like a true Republican can't lose this Fall.

Any result that shits on Liberals and Fundamentalists pleases me.

I'll bet those idiots at Dailykos will be cheering whatever happens as a Liberal Landslide. That site stands as a testament to the proposition that our national IQ can always be dragged lower.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
over the years you and i have often had different predictions and evaluations of polical campaigns. I've worked in them at near spanky levels. I know how people think and react.

You and i have bet in the past on political campaigns. You have won 0% of those bet, and yet you continue to correct me when i give you solid political analysis. stop it.

Thank you for sharing with us your insight that Democrats should criticize John Kerry. If only Democrats would take advice from conservatives like yourself, surely they would win more elections.

And did we bet more than once?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No terrorist attacks.

Um..... count much?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Since I missed his apology, I just took a look at the Washington Post, which doesn't say anything about it. Instead, it quotes Kerry as saying:

• "I make apologies to no one about my criticism of the President and his broken policy that kills and maims our heroes in Iraq every single day. This pathetic attempt to distort a botched joke about President Bush is a shameful effort to distract from a botched war."

You're mailing it in today, aren't you?

C'mon, Ty -- just because Kerry refused to apologize yesterday doesn't mean he won't today. Or last night.

This remark should bury him as a candidate, which is good. Sure, I voted for him -- given the alternative -- but I didn't much like him, ever since he flubbed the "body armor" question (a softball question if ever there was one).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Whoever wins, Congress will be moderates, ideologically blue dog Democrat/Rockefeller Republican.

If the Democrats take back Congress, they almost certainly won't have a majority of the seats in the South. It would be the first time in decades that the majority party in the South would not control Congress.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If a Dem was President, the robust economy would be the lead story of the NYT and the WaPo for the last 4 months.

Well, sure -- because we wouldn't have a $300 billion deficit and we wouldn't be stuck in a stupid and incompetently managed war. See 8 years of Clinton.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If the Democrats take back Congress, they almost certainly won't have a majority of the seats in the South. It would be the first time in decades that the majority party in the South would not control Congress.

Even better!

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Only if they're selling paper to rich investors, rather than to people who have to work for a living. Not that that's a bad business model.

Joe Sixpack reads the NYPost. Folks from the UES side read the Grey Lady.

Nice try.