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		|  03-25-2004, 02:17 PM | #4906 |  
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[John Kerry got botoxed?  (And/or eye lift?)  I note that, although the site is called "awful plastic surgery," he appears in their "good surgery" section.] 
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		|  03-25-2004, 02:19 PM | #4907 |  
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		| Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) They've cloned him!
 
 
   |  Bad angle and shadows.  The photographer should be shot.
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		|  03-25-2004, 02:24 PM | #4908 |  
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		| Originally posted by bilmore My take is that she is cooperating with the commission, but will not appear in public and appear to be there at the directive of the panel, and perform as ordered before the panel, because this would give the public the impression that the executive branch executives can be so ordered by the legislative types.  Most people don't have your nuanced understanding of the separation of powers, and she's not going to contribute to a further misunderstanding.  While she is willing to share the info for which they ask, she's not willing to let them "order" her to answer in public.  Big difference.
 |  I am sympathetic with her impulse to testify in private, but think it's a weak dodge to attribute it to the separation of powers.  Not the most important point.  Carry on.
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		|  03-25-2004, 02:30 PM | #4909 |  
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		| Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy Bad angle and shadows.  The photographer should be shot.
 |  You mean, because Rove sent them both teh same shirt/tie? |  
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		|  03-25-2004, 02:33 PM | #4910 |  
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		| Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop I am sympathetic with her impulse to testify in private, but think it's a weak dodge to attribute it to the separation of powers.  Not the most important point.  Carry on.
 |  Probably were studying the precedent of Clinton's testifying voluntarily by videotape to the IC grand jury.
 
The executive has always resisted incursions of this sort.  Why should this be the exception? |  
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		|  03-25-2004, 02:37 PM | #4911 |  
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		| Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) The executive has always resisted incursions of this sort.  Why should this be the exception?
 |  Apparently that's not quite right .  She's transparently trying to have it both ways -- she talks to the press and the commission, but no one gets to ask her questions under oath.  What's she so scared of?  Even if a lot of people don't get that far, I'm sure she's convincing the media she's got something hide.  It's a little bit like Cheney decided to be interviewed by Rush Limbaugh.  If you need that friendly a forum, your story can't be that good.
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		|  03-25-2004, 02:42 PM | #4912 |  
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		| Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) You mean, because Rove sent them both teh same shirt/tie?
 |  The most interesting theory that I've heard so far - which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved - is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now, who knows what the real situation is?:trout: :soapbox:
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		|  03-25-2004, 02:43 PM | #4913 |  
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		| Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop she talks to the press and the commission, but no one gets to ask her questions under oath.
 |  As I said, she learned her lesson from the Clinton administration.
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		|  03-25-2004, 02:45 PM | #4914 |  
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		| Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop Apparently that's not quite right.  She's transparently trying to have it both ways -- she talks to the press and the commission, but no one gets to ask her questions under oath.  What's she so scared of?  Even if a lot of people don't get that far, I'm sure she's convincing the media she's got something hide.  It's a little bit like Cheney decided to be interviewed by Rush Limbaugh.  If you need that friendly a forum, your story can't be that good.
 |  If i truly believed a president was doing something so despicable i would be rioting in the streets/stealing socks in mexico/aztec dancing. that you are not Ty, shows you are not a man of conviction. I put it to you Ty, if you stand idly by while such wrong occurs in something as important as the country your children are being raised in, how can the administration here rely upon you to take action when necessary for the good of the PB. J'acusseTy. J'acusse. 
 
Slave it is time to ask for Ty's resignation.
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		|  03-25-2004, 02:58 PM | #4915 |  
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		| Originally posted by Hank Chinaski If i truly believed a president was doing something so despicable i would be rioting in the streets/stealing socks in mexico/aztec dancing. that you are not Ty, shows you are not a man of conviction. I put it to you Ty, if you stand idly by while such wrong occurs in something as important as the country your children are being raised in, how can the administration here rely upon you to take action when necessary for the good of the PB. J'acusseTy. J'acusse.
 
 Slave it is time to ask for Ty's resignation.
 |  I'm sorry, I'm missing the reference.
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		|  03-25-2004, 03:01 PM | #4916 |  
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		| Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop I'm sorry, I'm missing the reference.
 |  I guess I'm commenting on your apparent extreme hate and mistrust for the administration. I mean its far beyond, "this is a president whose policies I cannot support."  
You seem to see lying, cheating, misleading, etc. in every action. I'm starting to hear echos of Ickes in some of it. You should take a deep breath.
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		|  03-25-2004, 03:02 PM | #4917 |  
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		|  03-25-2004, 03:04 PM | #4918 |  
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		| Originally posted by Hank Chinaski I guess I'm commenting on your apparent extreme hate and mistrust for the administration. I mean its far beyond, "this is a president whose policies I cannot support."
 You seem to see lying, cheating, misleading, etc. in every action. I'm starting to hear echos of Ickes in some of it. You should take a deep breath.
 |  She's working the press.  It's the sort of thing politicians do.  The only thing I was kvetching about was the legal justification she offered, but big whoop.
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		|  03-25-2004, 03:10 PM | #4919 |  
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		| Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop She's working the press.  It's the sort of thing politicians do.  The only thing I was kvetching about was the legal justification she offered, but big whoop.
 |   Well, it is a big whoop.  Would you want to be the cited wimp for the next twenty years when some panel wants to compel testimony from a cabinet member and tells the court "We must have that power, there's precedent, Condi came when ordered!"? |  
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		|  03-25-2004, 03:20 PM | #4920 |  
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 So when we hear you say:If you need that friendly a forum, your story can't be that good.
 
 we should really understand:
 
 
 
 She's working the press.  It's the sort of thing politicians do.  The only thing I was kvetching about was the legal justification she offered, but big whoop.
 
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