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[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Of course all of the white people are siding with the cops.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen

What I learned from my stint as a criminal defense attorney: In most cases, criminals aren't any more criminal than you or I. They're just stupider about it and wind up getting caught.

RT's friend proves that.

HUGE 2. Who do you think belongs in prison more? Conrad Black or Angelo Mozillo? Mozillo, right? But he was smart, so he's only facing the SEC. Black, OTOH, is an arrogant idiot. Could have settled early, but he decided to take on Fitzgerald's office instead.*

I think prosecutors and cops can smell dumb, and they know it will get them an easy collar/conviction. I also have a suspicion they have no respect for the stupid, so whether the culpable fool who violates the law by sheer stupidity actually has the requisite mens rea or not, they feel he ought get punished. It's a subconscious Darwinian thing - the same way a herd of wild animals shuns the weak.

*Whether Mozillo faces merely civil claims after the facts come out in the SEC proceeding is another matter. I can imagine there have been a few discussions between his lawyers and the US Attys re: tolling of statutes on the criminal side. If he skates through this thing and avoids an indictment in the current climate, he deserves every penny he stole.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen

What I learned from my stint as a criminal defense attorney: In most cases, criminals aren't any more criminal than you or I. They're just stupider about it and wind up getting caught.

RT's friend proves that.

From my stint on a grand jury: criminals are typically people who buy, use or deal cocaine or PCP. Also: do not take PCP.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I can imagine there have been a few discussions between his lawyers and the US Attys re: tolling of statutes on the criminal side.

I doubt his lawyers have agreed to toll the statute (and I'm not sure you can).

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

From my stint on a grand jury: criminals are typically people who buy, use or deal cocaine or PCP. Also: do not take PCP.

2. They used to sell this stuff called "The Greens" back in school. Dope soaked in PCP. Fuck you up something fierce. Still, a lot of people seemed to really enjoy it. I can't count myself in that group, though it was interesting.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

2. They used to sell this stuff called "The Greens" back in school. Dope soaked in PCP. Fuck you up something fierce. Still, a lot of people seemed to really enjoy it. I can't count myself in that group, though it was interesting.

About a year ago, I had a conversation with a doc about some patient issue. Patient was in the psych hospital for complications with pot. I expressed my surprise that pot would land someone in a psych hospital, and the doc tells me that a lot of kids end up at the psych hospital because of that stuff. Usually it's hard to tell exactly what fucked up the kid's head, because all the kid knows is that he/she smoked a shit ton of pot and his/her brain went hay wire. PCP is the usual culprit, but they're soaking pot in other stuff too.

On a related note, stay away from GBH. Over the last month, I have heard from four separate sources that it's a really fucked up drug. One guy's heart stopped, another girl just got sick, and a third guy couldn't stop throwing up. Last week, a doctor told me that it's really unstable and really easy to overdo. There are other, safer ways to have a good time.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

PCP is the usual culprit, but they're soaking pot in other stuff too.

So you *have* seen what that stuff does to kids.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen

What I learned from my stint as a criminal defense attorney: In most cases, criminals aren't any more criminal than you or I. They're just stupider about it and wind up getting caught.

RT's friend proves that.

I know some people who are appellate criminal defense attorneys, and it seems to me that, in many cases, criminals are more criminal than you or I, in that they carry and often use firearms in the commission of robberies or drug deals, use firearms as a dispute resulotion mechanism, or engage in sexual acts with very young children. Clients of appellate criminal defense attorneys are admittedly a sub-set of the category "criminals" (Hi Ty!). And I am making some assumptions about the habits of board members, but given how everybody seems to be falling over each other to side with the coppers over RT's friend, I think my assumptions are mainly correct.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

2. They used to sell this stuff called "The Greens" back in school. Dope soaked in PCP. Fuck you up something fierce. Still, a lot of people seemed to really enjoy it. I can't count myself in that group, though it was interesting.

This is apparently called "boat" on the streets of DC, and my anecdotal observation is that using it correlates to stabbing old ladies in the heart.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

This is apparently called "boat" on the streets of DC, and my anecdotal observation is that using it correlates to stabbing old ladies in the heart.

They still call it "Love Boat" down there? Some things don't change.

ETA: I just remember it being a kind of unnerving high, like I was floating about people, and kind of hyper. Course, this was years ago, and there was other stuff going on. I recommend you try it for yourself rather than take the advice from someone on a chat board or any of your friends in the elderly stabbing community.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

About a year ago, I had a conversation with a doc about some patient issue. Patient was in the psych hospital for complications with pot. I expressed my surprise that pot would land someone in a psych hospital, and the doc tells me that a lot of kids end up at the psych hospital because of that stuff. Usually it's hard to tell exactly what fucked up the kid's head, because all the kid knows is that he/she smoked a shit ton of pot and his/her brain went hay wire. PCP is the usual culprit, but they're soaking pot in other stuff too.

On a related note, stay away from GBH. Over the last month, I have heard from four separate sources that it's a really fucked up drug. One guy's heart stopped, another girl just got sick, and a third guy couldn't stop throwing up. Last week, a doctor told me that it's really unstable and really easy to overdo. There are other, safer ways to have a good time.

I am not admitting anything, but it is possible that I or others I know have engaged in the occasional use of cannabis, medicinally, as an alternative fuel source, or otherwise. But I have never known anyone to smoke PCP-laced pot. Which is a good thing, becuase I remember seeing a scare film where a dude was so messed up on PCP, he had no pain threshhold, and was therefore able to break out of leather restraints, but in the process ripped the muscles off of his bones.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

They still call it "Love Boat" down there? Some things don't change.

ETA: I just remember it being a kind of unnerving high, like I was floating about people, and kind of hyper. Course, this was years ago, and there was other stuff going on. I recommend you try it for yourself rather than take the advice from someone on a chat board or any of your friends in the elderly stabbing community.

My only knowledge of the topic stems from serving on a grand jury, and that was several years ago. I have not tried it myself, and have no intention or desire to.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

About a year ago, I had a conversation with a doc about some patient issue. Patient was in the psych hospital for complications with pot. I expressed my surprise that pot would land someone in a psych hospital, and the doc tells me that a lot of kids end up at the psych hospital because of that stuff. Usually it's hard to tell exactly what fucked up the kid's head, because all the kid knows is that he/she smoked a shit ton of pot and his/her brain went hay wire. PCP is the usual culprit, but they're soaking pot in other stuff too.

On a related note, stay away from GBH. Over the last month, I have heard from four separate sources that it's a really fucked up drug. One guy's heart stopped, another girl just got sick, and a third guy couldn't stop throwing up. Last week, a doctor told me that it's really unstable and really easy to overdo. There are other, safer ways to have a good time.

Weren't they soaking pot in formaldehyde or something like that a few years back? I seem to recall reading something like that.

I don't know what's up with the kids these days. Whatever happened to nice, fun, mind-opening shit like mushrooms, dope, acid? Kids are all into Adderall and sniffing Ritalin and all that shit. Oxycontin, GBH... I don't get it. Call me a crank, but that doesn't seem much of an eye-opener.

What we need in this country is another acid craze. Get people putting out some good music again.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I know some people who are appellate criminal defense attorneys, and it seems to me that, in many cases, criminals are more criminal than you or I, in that they carry and often use firearms in the commission of robberies or drug deals, use firearms as a dispute resulotion mechanism, or engage in sexual acts with very young children. Clients of appellate criminal defense attorneys are admittedly a sub-set of the category "criminals" (Hi Ty!). And I am making some assumptions about the habits of board members, but given how everybody seems to be falling over each other to side with the coppers over RT's friend, I think my assumptions are mainly correct.

Every cop is a criminal.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

. I recommend you try it for yourself rather than take the advice from someone on a chat board or any of your friends in the elderly stabbing community.

Can you recommend a nice Chianti to go with it?