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05-01-2018, 03:42 PM
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#541
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Don't know who she is
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https://canarymission.org/professor/Katherine_Franke
I'd keep her out. Someone coming to incite violence is not someone they need there.
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except that I can read the text on the image I posted, which seems to be beyond your ken.
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the incredible thing to me is that you post shit like this, then a few days later call me a troll.
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05-01-2018, 03:46 PM
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#542
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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I don't know shit about this. But if she is a professor of law at Columbia, what possible reason could they have to keep her out? And please apply whatever answer you have to this country, because we're just about there when it comes to deciding who gets in.
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The U.S. saying "all Pakistanis are banned" is wrong. The U.S. banning a particular person from Pakistan who has shown hate for us and seems to be coming here to do ill is not wrong.
People in Israel are being stabbed and shelled and blown up. That some numbskull with a columbia name tag is inciting it doesn't make the knife hurt less.
edit: seems like maybe this just happened. I see no news from Israel on it yet. Rather than rely on the tweet from Ty's "source" I'll wait until we can see a government position on why it banned her.
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05-01-2018, 03:57 PM
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#543
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
The U.S. saying "all Pakistanis are banned" is wrong. The U.S. banning a particular person from Pakistan who has shown hate for us and seems to be coming here to do ill is not wrong.
People in Israel are being stabbed and shelled and blown up. That some numbskull with a columbia name tag is inciting it doesn't make the knife hurt less.
edit: seems like maybe this just happened. I see no news from Israel on it yet. Rather than rely on the tweet from Ty's "source" I'll wait until we can see a government position on why it banned her.
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I read part of that Canary Mission entry. It seems highly suspect based on what they attribute to her. So I took a quick look into Canary Mission, which I never heard of, and it seems like if you speak out against Israel at all, you make their list. Is that an exaggeration?
Whether Israel bans her or not is not the point. I want to know why you think this is a good approach to governing. Are you ready to start banning people like Gorka, other white nationalists, or even people who speak about defending themselves from white nationalists? Is that inciting violence? Where do you stand?
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05-01-2018, 04:09 PM
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#544
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I have eaten a lot of Chinese food in a lot of places. SF first, and NYC second, have been heads and shoulders above every other city (I haven't tried Houston) in the U.S. (and both miles ahead of DC, Boston, Chicago, LA, etc.) But an interesting thing in the Boston area these days is that the Chinese food may be better in the Burbs than in Chinatown - Chinatown is filled with homestyle Cantonese places opened fifty years and two generations ago, while there are three or four little clusters in the Burbs that have the Chinese places opened by recent immigrants with more ambitious culinary goals.
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Can you delete the photo in your response so we can fix the margins?
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05-01-2018, 04:10 PM
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#545
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I read part of that Canary Mission entry. It seems highly suspect based on what they attribute to her. So I took a quick look into Canary Mission, which I never heard of, and it seems like if you speak out against Israel at all, you make their list. Is that an exaggeration?
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I just got it off google. It seems an extreme group, but she seems extreme also.
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Whether Israel bans her or not is not the point. I want to know why you think this is a good approach to governing. Are you ready to start banning people like Gorka, other white nationalists, or even people who speak about defending themselves from white nationalists? Is that inciting violence? Where do you stand?
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I will wait to see what the Israeli government says. In general I wouldn't suggest banning people, but Israel is in a pretty unique/tough position. As to what type "inciting violence" is too much, I'd just say if you have people randomly knifing people, the level of incitement to get banned might be a bit lower than just a person who encourages people to stand up for their rights.
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05-01-2018, 04:47 PM
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#546
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
I will wait to see what the Israeli government says. In general I wouldn't suggest banning people, but Israel is in a pretty unique/tough position. As to what type "inciting violence" is too much, I'd just say if you have people randomly knifing people, the level of incitement to get banned might be a bit lower than just a person who encourages people to stand up for their rights.
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I'm going to need more in the way of causation than the weak ass correlation that website you posted is using.
And "Israel is in a unique/tough position" is not a response to everything. They can and should be criticized. I'm not pointing at you, but I'm fairly sick of people saying that any criticism of Israel amounts to anti-Semitism and/or indifference to their geo-political realities.
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05-01-2018, 05:15 PM
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#547
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
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I'm not sure which is worse -- your citing that site as a source or your conclusion that she is "coming to incite violence." It's a pretty remarkable thing to say about a law professor, really.
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the incredible thing to me is that you post shit like this, then a few days later call me a troll.
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I'm not trolling you. I am genuinely curious about whether there is any point at which you could bring yourself to criticize Israel's government, and the answer seems to be "no."
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05-01-2018, 05:17 PM
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#548
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I'm going to need more in the way of causation than the weak ass correlation that website you posted is using.
And "Israel is in a unique/tough position" is not a response to everything. They can and should be criticized. I'm not pointing at you, but I'm fairly sick of people saying that any criticism of Israel amounts to anti-Semitism and/or indifference to their geo-political realities.
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When Israel is deporting a Jewish Columbia law professor, something has gone seriously awry. At least the accusation there is that she's "anti-Israel" rather than that she is an anti-Semite.
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05-01-2018, 05:22 PM
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#549
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
I just got it off google. It seems an extreme group, but she seems extreme also.
I will wait to see what the Israeli government says. In general I wouldn't suggest banning people, but Israel is in a pretty unique/tough position. As to what type "inciting violence" is too much, I'd just say if you have people randomly knifing people, the level of incitement to get banned might be a bit lower than just a person who encourages people to stand up for their rights.
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You're pretty unique.
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If he looks within he finds beauty and power.
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05-01-2018, 05:28 PM
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#550
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm not sure which is worse -- your citing that site as a source
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About equal to your source.
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or your conclusion that she is "coming to incite violence." It's a pretty remarkable thing to say about a law professor, really.
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You don't know who she is, but you know what she isn't going to do? Got it.
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I'm not trolling you. I am genuinely curious about whether there is any point at which you could bring yourself to criticize Israel's government, and the answer seems to be "no."
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Well, for 18 years we've had hundreds of chances for you to criticize a dem, and still no go, so I'd just encourage you to 1) wait until you understand who she is and why they barred her, and if it still seems that barring her was improper, but I won't change my position then 2) give me hundreds of other opportunities to criticize Israel. If I still fail to find one, then you and I are equal!
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05-01-2018, 05:29 PM
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#551
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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You're pretty unique.
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thanks for having my back, my brother!
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05-01-2018, 06:21 PM
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#552
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
About equal to your source.
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So, not at all. My source relating facts which don't seem to be in dispute: Her name, her position, the fact that she was deported. Maybe there was something incorrect there, but we don't have a reason to think that yet.
Your source is crap. It says that she incites violence without support. It repeatedly attributes views to her by suggesting that she supports other individuals and causes and then describing their views as if she endorses them.
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You don't know who she is, but you know what she isn't going to do? Got it.
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Not what I said. Why does your reading comprehension go out the window on this subject? It's remarkable, really.
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Well, for 18 years we've had hundreds of chances for you to criticize a dem, and still no go,
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That's false, as you know, so I stopped reading there.
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05-01-2018, 06:48 PM
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#553
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So, not at all. My source relating facts which don't seem to be in dispute: Her name, her position, the fact that she was deported. Maybe there was something incorrect there, but we don't have a reason to think that yet.
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This is sad. within the several paragraphs of what you post the writer equates Israel with a "Trumpish government" and says both that Israel is a democracy and it is not, and he seems to be speaking to someone, but it isn't clear who. And it speaks of the banned rabble rousers as if they're well-intentioned professors. I thought you once tried cases, why would you have such disregard for simple intellectual integrity?
At least i acknowledge my source is wild-eyed, still I'm sure there are some facts mixed into both.
So you win!
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05-01-2018, 07:02 PM
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#554
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
This is sad. within the several paragraphs of what you post the writer equates Israel with a "Trumpish government" and says both that Israel is a democracy and it is not, and he seems to be speaking to someone, but it isn't clear who. And it speaks of the banned rabble rousers as if they're well-intentioned professors. I thought you once tried cases, why would you have such disregard for simple intellectual integrity?
At least i acknowledge my source is wild-eyed, still I'm sure there are some facts mixed into both.
So you win!
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I am a lot less concerned with whether Israel elects assholes to run its government than I am with whether we do, because lots of countries elect assholes and I don't live there. Putin may be the world's largest asshole at the moment, but, luckily, Russia is a second rate economy and has limited importance in my world.
But Bibi is an asshole, and very much an asshole of a Trumpian ilk, and some of the Israeli right are even worse. The big difference between them is that Bibi is both smarter and more knowledgeable than Trump, and so his government is more functional on a day to day level.
Bottom line, though, as an Israeli friend of mine recently put it, "we both have our meshuganahs, but you're going to get rid of yours before we do."
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05-01-2018, 07:20 PM
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#555
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Re: We are all Slave now.
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I am a lot less concerned with whether Israel elects assholes to run its government than I am with whether we do, because lots of countries elect assholes and I don't live there. Putin may be the world's largest asshole at the moment, but, luckily, Russia is a second rate economy and has limited importance in my world.
But Bibi is an asshole, and very much an asshole of a Trumpian ilk, and some of the Israeli right are even worse. The big difference between them is that Bibi is both smarter and more knowledgeable than Trump, and so his government is more functional on a day to day level.
Bottom line, though, as an Israeli friend of mine recently put it, "we both have our meshuganahs, but you're going to get rid of yours before we do."
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I'm less concerned with Russia or Trump or Israel, because I have no influence, than I am about Ty drifting even further from any coherent mooring to reality, because he feels Israel is bad, organically bad.
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