We are all Slave now.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

This is sad. within the several paragraphs of what you post the writer equates Israel with a "Trumpish government" and says both that Israel is a democracy and it is not, and he seems to be speaking to someone, but it isn't clear who. And it speaks of the banned rabble rousers as if they're well-intentioned professors. I thought you once tried cases, why would you have such disregard for simple intellectual integrity?

At least i acknowledge my source is wild-eyed, still I'm sure there are some facts mixed into both.

So you win!

I'm not interested in Corey Robin's views about whether Israel is Trumpish (Bibi is) or a democracy, and neither are you. You are only talking about them in order to avoid talking about what we were talking about. The point is, a Columbia professor on a trip to observe human rights was deported. If that's not correct, so much the better.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

he feels Israel is bad, organically bad

Stupid or malicious? It's hard to tell.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Stupid or malicious? It's hard to tell.

agreed. Let’s wait until someone with credibility explains why they barred them? Then we will know which you are.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Let’s wait until someone with credibility explains why they barred them?

Center for Constitutional Rights Executive Director and Board Chair Both Denied Entry into Israel
Contact: press@ccrjustice.org

Trip planned to witness human rights situation in Israel and Palestine

May 1, 2018, Tel Aviv and New York – Vincent Warren, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), and Katherine Franke, chair of CCR’s board and Sulzbacher Professor of Law, Gender, and Sexuality Studies at Columbia University, were detained Sunday, April 29, for 14 hours and interrogated at Ben Gurion International Airport, then denied entry into Israel and deported, arriving back in New York early Monday morning. Warren and Franke were questioned about their political association with human rights groups that have been critical of Israel’s human rights record.

“The Israeli government denied us entry, apparently because it feared letting in people who might challenge its policies. This is something that we should neither accept nor condone from a country that calls itself a democracy,” Warren said. “Our trip sought to explore the intersection of Black and Brown people’s experiences in the U.S. with the situation of Palestinians, and Israel could not have made that connection clearer.”

Warren and Franke were part of a trip that brought together mostly Black and Brown civil and human rights leaders working on domestic U.S. justice issues who have not had an opportunity to visit Palestine and Israel. The justice delegation was planned to provide an opportunity to better understand the human rights situation in Israel and Palestine, including the history of systematic displacement and institutional racism, as well as the work of human rights defenders there.

Over the next several days, members of the group who were allowed entry will meet with a variety of prominent legal advocacy and human rights organizations, academics, and community leaders in Israel and Palestine, as well as visit various impacted communities. The group is posting about its visit on social media at #JusticeDelegation.

“My interrogation in Tel Aviv made it clear that I was banned from entering Israel because of my work in the U.S. on behalf of Palestinian rights,” said Franke, who is also a member of the executive committee of Columbia’s Center for Palestine Studies. “No government is immune from criticism for its human rights record. The abusive treatment Vince Warren and I received at Ben Gurion airport ironically illustrates how the state of Israel refuses to respect the political and civil rights of its own citizens, of Palestinians, and of human rights defenders globally.”

Israel has a well-known history of denying human rights advocates and other possible critics of its policies entry to Israel, even if those individuals only seek to visit and meet with Palestinians—whose borders Israel fully controls.

Israel’s denial of entry to foreign citizens must be seen in the context of its ongoing efforts to repress human rights activism within Israel and Palestine, and its regular denial of entry to Palestinians, including U.S. citizens of Palestinian origin. It has been 70 years since the mass killing and eviction of Palestinians by the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, 50 years of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and 11 years of its punitive closure of Gaza, whose residents have been shot and killed in nonviolent protests in recent weeks. Meanwhile, Israel continues to expand its West Bank settlements, annex East Jerusalem, and increase attacks on human rights defenders and incarceration of political prisoners.

https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-ce...nd-board-chair

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-ce...nd-board-chair

It's funny you call my link biased and then you post this! Except not funny, because I knew my link was shit.

Commondreams has a “story” up too! You should post that also, you know, to prove your point?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

It's funny you call my link biased and then you post this! Except not funny, because I knew my link was shit.

Commondreams has a “story” up too! You should that also, you know, to prove your point?

I didn't call it biased, I called it crap, because it is, and I explained why. You say shit, I say crap, but on that we agree.

Seeing you dismiss CCR's press release is like listening to Sarah Sanders. If someone criticizes Trump, it's because they're partisan, and you can tell they're partisan because they're criticizing Trump. And if they're not on your side, you can just disregard inconvenient facts. By your way of thinking, if the Israeli government put out an explanation of why it deported these two, wouldn't that be biased too?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I didn't call it biased, I called it crap, because it is, and I explained why. You say shit, I say crap, but on that we agree.

Seeing you dismiss CCR's press release is like listening to Sarah Sanders.

No it's not. At most it's Sarah responding to a MoveOn "news release."

And what you do here is like a simpleton's attempt to avoid Godwin's Law.

But good news for you! The Palestinian News Agency has now released its press release. We are getting really close to legit agencies!

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-ce...nd-board-chair

The extent of tension between progressive Jews in the US and the Israeli government today is extraordinary. In the US a lot of it relates to the occupation, but in Israel I think just as much of it is religious. Both the right wing religious groups and the fundamentalist isolationist religious groups view American reform Judaism (let alone the Reconstructionists I'm releated to) as heretical at best. It's a sad state of affairs.

[Hank Chinaski]

Just had my physical! The doctor reaffirms I’m by far the healthiest sock to ever post here. Amazingly healthy was his diagnosis!

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I don't know shit about this. But if she is a professor of law at Columbia, what possible reason could they have to keep her out? And please apply whatever answer you have to this country, because we're just about there when it comes to deciding who gets in.

TM

Columbia University is considered akin to a Madrassa run by Jihadists by much of the Israeli establishment, going back to when Edward Said taught there.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I read part of that Canary Mission entry. It seems highly suspect based on what they attribute to her. So I took a quick look into Canary Mission, which I never heard of, and it seems like if you speak out against Israel at all, you make their list. Is that an exaggeration?

I read it and thought, "this is all they have?" Because the intent to make her sounds very bad was clear. For example, I saw nothing about inciting violence, unless we're to assume that BDS is inherently violent, which I don't think is true.

Even as to her "defending" a professor whose tweets could be read as condoning violence, all they've got is a third party saying she's been involved in defending him.

I want to know why you think this is a good approach to governing. Are you ready to start banning people like Gorka, other white nationalists...? Is that inciting violence? Where do you stand?

When you put it that way...

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Karl Rove's Tactics for Effective Conservative Blogging.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Karl Rove's Tactics for Effective Conservative Blogging.

Can you compare/contrast what you see as your style of "arguing?"

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

No it's not. At most it's Sarah responding to a MoveOn "news release."

And what you do here is like a simpleton's attempt to avoid Godwin's Law.

But good news for you! The Palestinian News Agency has now released its press release. We are getting really close to legit agencies!

Democracy Now has now published the story!

Can you find one actual news source reporting that might explain why they might be kept out?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Democracy Now has now published the story!

Can you find one actual news source reporting that might explain why they might be kept out?

Here's the ABA Journal. Any reporting on this is going to relate facts that come from Warren and Franke, or the Israeli government. You rejected anything that comes from CCR as biased,* but you still haven't answered my question from last night about how you could accept reporting based on what the Israeli government says, since it too is presumably biased, yes? Or are you using "bias" in the sense of "coming from someone with whose policy views I disagree"?