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[Spanky]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
For anyone who cares, here are my thoughts:

I thought each did very well, though McCain not as well as the others. Even Paul had some great moments.

Overall, I was surprised at Huckabee's articulate and common sense approach, and likeable style. By far the best speaker of the bunch. I question his actual solutions (the highway thing) and come on, rebates don't mean we're going to only help China (buying Chinese shoes). But still...he sounds good. I'm pro-choice, but I like his honest approach to pro-life. And he's one of the few that had the balls to say he'd have preferred another SC Justice over the choice of O'Connor. And it was a nice touch to decline to say whether Reagan would vote for him. Obviously, he was dissed on time (though not as bad as Paul). Nice answer to the leadership question - noting that governors basically handle a microsm of the federal gov't b/c states have similar agencies as the fed does, yadda yadda. Good points there.

That is why he is such a nightmare. He is a social conservative and subscribes to the Ted Kennedy school of economics. For the love of God, he is a creationiist. But he is by far the best speaker and most likeable of the bunch. Same problem with Obama, likeable guy, great speaker and a total nightmare on policy.

[Gattigap]

Spanky:

FWIW, I walked by your avatar tonight. We laughed. Oh, how we laughed.

Love,
Gattigap

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Huh. I thought that "We oppose same-sex partner benefits, child custody, and adoption." would have bothered you, too.

WWAynRandD?

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Spanky
That is why he is such a nightmare. He is a social conservative and subscribes to the Ted Kennedy school of economics. For the love of God, he is a creationiist. But he is by far the best speaker and most likeable of the bunch.

2. His being a baptist minister probably helps his speaking skills. Creationist. Damn. Basically: "Let's ignore the unrefuted evidence and instead just trust me on this based on *faith*". God only know what domestic and foreign policies he'd apply that logic to.

2 more things: Ron Paul is all about federalism (overturn Roe, let states decide) but the federalism bit is not so practical anymore with most things happening across more than one border (including bullets). Plus, unless you're a lawyer (even though he's not) who the fuck even knows what federalism is. Or cares. Anyhow, he should move to Austria, deliver babies there while spending nights drooling over his uber economic books under non-subsidized lighting. I think he'd be much happier. And I'm still disgusted at the anti-black men newsletters his companies published under his name but he apparently didn't write. Loose cannon. Final thought -- McCain needs to sit up straight like Romney. And for the love of god, get some type of left-cheek tissue reduction. He's like the elder Corleone with that shit.

Oh, one more final thought - is there a rule that after 5-10 years of being dead or Alzheimers-ridden, you go from evil President to saint? 20 years ago, all we heard was "voodoo economics", "trickle down" this or that and jokes about napping, retarded, incompetent actor-presidents. Now, everyone is waxing poetic about "being in the House of Reagan", "Ronnie's foot soldier" and playing "Ronnie would like me better than you." Same shit for Nixon. I hope when I die, Hank is on the boards raving about my reading comprehension.
Good night.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
2. His being a baptist minister probably helps his speaking skills. Creationist. Damn. Basically: "Let's ignore the unrefuted evidence and instead just trust me on this based on *faith*". God only know what domestic and foreign policies he'd apply that logic to.

God only knows indeed. Wish we had some kind of case study.

[Diane_Keaton]

"Once I'm elected, I want to organize a summit in the Muslim world, with all the heads of state, to have an honest discussion about ways to bridge the gap that grows every day between Muslims and the West," Thursday's edition of Paris Match quoted Obama as saying, "I want to ask them to join our fight against terrorism. We must also listen to their concerns," Obama said in the French-language transcript.

This *sounds* good but isn't it naive to think the problems are about lack of communication and that you can necessarily have an "honest discussion" with "all heads of state in the Muslim World."? And if you're talking about your own summit, why no comments about the recent one in Annapolis where plans to attend were themselves subject to an international brouhaha among Muslim nations? Anyhow, we already have a good sense of what "their concerns are" so maybe Obama should now, before the election and his "summit", weigh in on those "concerns" and tell us if he agrees Israel should be dismantled and if he agrees the U.S. should stay out of their terrorist-breeding countries, just continue to send money and sit tight and hope we don't get attacked again.

Anyhow, the man shouldn't be advertising that he isn't aware of what "concerns" Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, etc. He should use the information out there already and tell us what he would do about (or how he thinks about) those "concerns."

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
This needs to be used more. Brilliant.

Thanks.

You keep trying SD, you'll get there some day.

S_A_M

P.S. Nice to _finally_ be getting some respect around here!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
This *sounds* good but isn't it naive to think the problems are about lack of communication and that you can necessarily have an "honest discussion" with "all heads of state in the Muslim World."?

That would be naive, and anyone who has worked as a community organizer can probably say a lot more on the subject.

[M]aybe Obama should now, before the election and his "summit", weigh in on those "concerns" and tell us if he agrees Israel should be dismantled....

In about the time that it took you to write this silliness, I found this on Obama's website:

• Barack Obama strongly supports the U.S.-Israel relationship, believes that our first and incontrovertible commitment in the Middle East must be to the security of Israel, America's strongest ally in the Middle East. Obama supports this closeness, stating that that the United States would never distance itself from Israel.

and if he agrees the U.S. should stay out of their terrorist-breeding countries, just continue to send money and sit tight and hope we don't get attacked again.

If you really wonder about this, you can go to his website and see! I found it by Googling "Obama." It was pretty easy.

Anyhow, the man shouldn't be advertising that he isn't aware of what "concerns" Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, etc.

I suspect that you and others would be resistant to even very simple, clear statements on these subjects.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
"Once I'm elected, I want to organize a summit in the Muslim world, with all the heads of state, to have an honest discussion about ways to bridge the gap that grows every day between Muslims and the West," Thursday's edition of Paris Match quoted Obama as saying, "I want to ask them to join our fight against terrorism. We must also listen to their concerns," Obama said in the French-language transcript.

This *sounds* good but isn't it naive to think the problems are about lack of communication and that you can necessarily have an "honest discussion" with "all heads of state in the Muslim World."? And if you're talking about your own summit, why no comments about the recent one in Annapolis where plans to attend were themselves subject to an international brouhaha among Muslim nations? Anyhow, we already have a good sense of what "their concerns are" so maybe Obama should now, before the election and his "summit", weigh in on those "concerns" and tell us if he agrees Israel should be dismantled and if he agrees the U.S. should stay out of their terrorist-breeding countries, just continue to send money and sit tight and hope we don't get attacked again.

Anyhow, the man shouldn't be advertising that he isn't aware of what "concerns" Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, etc. He should use the information out there already and tell us what he would do about (or how he thinks about) those "concerns."

I see your point. We already know what the want, so we shouldn't waste time talking to them. Especially with shooting them going so swimmingly.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Rudy will be the next VP.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That would be naive, and anyone who has worked as a community organizer can probably say a lot more on the subject.



In about the time that it took you to write this silliness, I found this on Obama's website:

• Barack Obama strongly supports the U.S.-Israel relationship, believes that our first and incontrovertible commitment in the Middle East must be to the security of Israel, America's strongest ally in the Middle East. Obama supports this closeness, stating that that the United States would never distance itself from Israel.

If you really wonder about this, you can go to his website and see! I found it by Googling "Obama." It was pretty easy.



I suspect that you and others would be resistant to even very simple, clear statements on these subjects.

2. what is Daine talking about? Obama said he would invade Iran, didn't he?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2. what is Daine talking about? Obama said he would invade Iran, didn't he?

I thought that was not Obama, but perhaps Podhoretz - who, if your predictive skills play out, would presumably be in the NSC during a McCain administration. Again, educate me.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2. what is Daine talking about? Obama said he would invade Iran, didn't he?

No, no. Pakistan. He said he would invade Pakistan to get OBL, if the Pakistanis wouldn't get him for us.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
No, no. Pakistan. He said he would invade Pakistan to get OBL, if the Pakistanis wouldn't get him for us.

Does JFK know? Obama isn't going to the UN first?