A Friendly Correction for those Man-Haters who Delve to be Single

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

what school?

This has been the worst winter of my life. 1 more good snow and we will break the record for total snow fall. Yesterday we discovered the Christmas tree we out in front of our house January 2 is still there, buried. If I wanted this much snow in my life I'd have moved to Minneapolis; I've heard there's lots of unsolicited fellatio given out there.

He's on year three at the University of Michigan for an MBA/MS in Environmental sciences. He went to Cornell for Architecture school back in the 90s, so he thought he was prepared for long, harsh winters, but this has been ridiculous.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

That's a tough one to argue. The question I have for the "sexual gratification" requirement is, what if he's taking photos to post on some upskirt site and gets no sexual gratification whatsoever? Is he caught by another statute prohibiting the use of anonymous photos of someone else?

I feel like these shouldn't be tough holes to fill in the penal code (er, so to speak).

TM

My question is really more of a constitutional one. If a person has no reasonable expectation of privacy in x, so that the Fourth Amendment is not implicated if the police watch and photograph x, does a private citizen have a First Amendment right to also watch and photograph x? Does the private citizen's motivation really matter in that context?

I'm not really arguing a side on this -- though I guess that, just by asking the question, I am saying that my own non-Con-law-scholar gut feel is that there is a problem with these criminal statutes. On the other hand, courts often deal with such issues in a way that borders on "fuck it, it's a bad thing so we make it a crime." And these distinctions may well exist.

AG's response -- comparing a groping to a fireman's rescue, say -- isn't really apt because that doesn't implicate the constitutional issues.

All that said -- this is really too much thought about upskirt photos. I say we take this discussion to a NSFW Tumblr site where it belongs.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

RESORT SUGGESTIONS? 3 or 4 days someplace warm. Preferably not west coast- beach good but not necessary- pampering important.

I hear Colorado now has some relaxing options.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

On the islands or the one in Minnesota?


For the reason that the trip is in place of not letting my son go to Haiti I think we need to be in the states.

There's not real beach weather anywhere in the states now. But you could head to the Ritz in Naples, Florida (that's the best resort in Naples), or maybe somewhere on Marco Island or in the Keys, and maybe get a day or two in the high 70s or maybe, if you're lucky, north of 80.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

what school?

This has been the worst winter of my life. 1 more good snow and we will break the record for total snow fall. Yesterday we discovered the Christmas tree we put out in front of our house January 2 is still there, buried. If I wanted this much snow in my life I'd have moved to Minneapolis; I've heard there's lots of unsolicited fellatio given out there.

It's been pretty awful. I was just outside (43 degrees!) with no coat on and I wasn't cold. I was so used to freezing my ass off that 43 is AMAZING.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

I question that -- my guess is that, if you are taking a photo up a sleeping woman's skirt on the subway (what the Mass "upskirt" case involved, I think), it's the sight itself, rather than the taking of the photo, that gives you a woody.

Hm. Seems to me like the dude probably gets a thrill from the taking too. Doing something "naughty" (you know, violating some unsuspecting woman).

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

It's been pretty awful. I was just outside (43 degrees!) with no coat on and I wasn't cold. I was so used to freezing my ass off that 43 is AMAZING.

Deuce.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

There's not real beach weather anywhere in the states now. But you could head to the Ritz in Naples, Florida (that's the best resort in Naples), or maybe somewhere on Marco Island or in the Keys, and maybe get a day or two in the high 70s or maybe, if you're lucky, north of 80.

Don't take your son to Naples. Naples is for old people. I say that as someone who goes to Naples at least once a year.

You could do the Fountainebleau in Miami Beach. I wasn't overly impressed with it when we stayed there sometimes in the 1980s, but you can pretend you're Bond in Goldfinger and I'm certain it's been redone since then. Also, it apparently houses a Scarpetta, so you can eat well.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

There's not real beach weather anywhere in the states now. But you could head to the Ritz in Naples, Florida (that's the best resort in Naples), or maybe somewhere on Marco Island or in the Keys, and maybe get a day or two in the high 70s or maybe, if you're lucky, north of 80.

Sure there is. The gulf area of which you speak has plenty of above-80 days in March.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

There's not real beach weather anywhere in the states now. But you could head to the Ritz in Naples, Florida (that's the best resort in Naples), or maybe somewhere on Marco Island or in the Keys, and maybe get a day or two in the high 70s or maybe, if you're lucky, north of 80.

we're looking at some place in the Keys, I've never been there at all.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

we're looking at some place in the Keys, I've never been there at all.

What do you want to do in the keys? Fish? Islamorada. Get pegged? Key West.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

AG's response -- comparing a groping to a fireman's rescue, say -- isn't really apt because that doesn't implicate the constitutional issues.

That’s because there aren’t any. It’s not an intrusion into seclusion for a cop to look through a window from the public right-of-way, and it’s not a violation of privacy for a private person to look through your window from the same point, BUT you can’t use a camera for the purpose of viewing the body of or undergarments worn by a person with the intent to gratify the lust, passions, or sexual desires of the viewer AND to invade the privacy of the victim.

So a cop and a civilian have an equal right to secretly take photographs of a person inside their home EXCEPT to gratify their lust. No constitutional issue raised by that distinction as I see it.

Citations omitted cuz that shit's for NERDS.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

That’s because there aren’t any. It’s not an intrusion into seclusion for a cop to look through a window from the public right-of-way, and it’s not a violation of privacy for a private person to look through your window from the same point, BUT you can’t use a camera for the purpose of viewing the body of or undergarments worn by a person with the intent to gratify the lust, passions, or sexual desires of the viewer AND to invade the privacy of the victim.

So a cop and a civilian have an equal right to secretly take photographs of a person inside their home EXCEPT to gratify their lust. No constitutional issue raised by that distinction as I see it.

Citations omitted cuz that shit's for NERDS.

Wonk can't get it up anymore, so are there any limits on his actions?

[Hank Chinaski]

http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2014/03/sci...ends-seinfeld/

Seinfeld's girlfriends, the top 50. Lois was always one of my favorites- she should hav ebeen higher.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

There's not real beach weather anywhere in the states now. But you could head to the Ritz in Naples, Florida (that's the best resort in Naples), or maybe somewhere on Marco Island or in the Keys, and maybe get a day or two in the high 70s or maybe, if you're lucky, north of 80.

Tell the good people of our 50th state that.

California has had the mildest winter probably since I moved here. Which seems like adding insult to injury when I hear about how the rest of the country has fared. It's supposed to be 75 both days at the beach this weekend, for example. But from Michigan, the Keys are your best bet. If you want more resorty than Key West, I went to a wedding at Hawk's Cay years ago (it was actually 10 days after Sept 11). I thought it was nice (without being super extravagant).