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[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
But I don't get it. What does Rudy add to the ticket? Polls showed that Republicans don't like him.

Dissent. Evangelicals dislike him, yet he still lead every poll until 6 months ago - and this despite the MSM mantra that "he's too liberal for the GOP." Fucking A - David Frum endorsed him.

His overall winability is why the Left took every possible shot at him.

Suffice to say, he royally fucked up his opportunity.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Gattigap
But I don't get it. What does Rudy add to the ticket? Polls showed that Republicans don't like him. Democrats run in horror from him. Why the hell would McCain do this?

2. I'm wondering this too. I mean, I finally see a candidate who is Republican yet is socially liberal (and pro choice!) and a big agenda of his is battling radical Muslims. Plus he's a New Yorker. Yet even I can't vote for him for Pres. which is crazy. I would cross party lines and vote Obama or even Hillary in a second if Rudy was the final contender for the R's. I think it would be a dumb move for The Mac. He would do well to just pick an unknown with a lot of experience but not wanting the spotlight.

Oh and Slave: "Our president doesn’t need to sip tea with Bashar Assad or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and hear about the evils of Israel in order to work towards that goal." Good stuff. Gee. I thought I was the only evil person who took issue with the summit thing.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Because Giuliani is similar enough to McCain that his choice keeps the Independent/moderate Republican vote in line, and could help pick up some other voters that otherwise dont generally like McCain (see, e.g., Slavenomore)

More importantly, Hucklebee sinks the ticket in California, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

Why is he limited to picking one of the primary candidates?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Dissent. Evangelicals dislike him, yet he still lead every poll until 6 months ago - and this despite the MSM mantra that "he's too liberal for the GOP." Fucking A - David Frum endorsed him.

His overall winability is why the Left took every possible shot at him.

Suffice to say, he royally fucked up his opportunity.

No disagreement that Rudy fucked up tactically, and that's a part of it. But there's also the possibility that he led in early polls because primary voters knew nothing about him other than recollections of his 9/11 performance, and when they started to focus more, they decided they didn't like what they saw.

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
No disagreement that Rudy fucked up tactically, and that's a part of it. But there's also the possibility that he led in early polls because primary voters knew nothing about him other than recollections of his 9/11 performance, and when they started to focus more, they decided they didn't like what they saw.

Dissent. He didnt run in the early contests. As a result, any media attention focused on him went out the door.

And this carried on for weeks and weeks.

By the time Florida came around, the media was declaring him DOA. Which is a self-fufilling prophesy - why would anyone want to vote for a guy who is going to pull out.

If anything, this cycle demonstrates that pole position in Iowa and NH may be irrelevant - but the related media attention is irreplaceable.

PS - that the Surge is working and moved Iraq off the front pages - as great as this is for the nation - this also did not help his campaign in the least.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Spanky
How is the support of Isreal in the Sttategic Interest of the United States?

What other assistance do they provide the United States besides our pissing of all the major oil producers by supporting them?

I understand the moral reasons for supporting them, but what strategic reasons are there?

The moral reasons ARE the strategic reasons. I assume it's been deemed to be in the strategic interest of the United States to provide for and support at least one non-monarchy in the Middle East. It's like the Euro Disney of democracy. The neighbors all claim to hate hate hate it, but a minority of them have mouse ears in the closet.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That's what I mean. Hard to see him as a #2.

If you're McCain, why pick him?

you don't get the negative from the other knuckle heads that could be Veep. I'm not sure an extreme Christian born again, or whatever Romney is could win at all. I know either Rudy or McCain can win. they can win michigan, and with Rudy maybe NY and NJ, maybe drop a southern state or two, but still.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
PS - that the Surge is working and moved Iraq off the front pages - as great as this is for the nation - this also did not help his campaign in the least.

Citing the value of the Surge's success as a campaign theme seems a really odd way to grab votes. I hope McCain avoids it during the general election becuase, though he thinks it does him favors, I think on a level the idiot pollsters and pundits completely miss, most people hear about the success of the Surge and think, "Hey, great. So you voted for a terrible, stupid fucking war, and after four years of failure and squandering our international cred, you supported a plan that managed to keep the war just barely on this side of becoming 'Vietnam II.'"

You don't run around bragging about how you were one of the most vocal advocates for running out to buy Krazy Glue after helping to smash all the china in the house.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Why is he limited to picking one of the primary candidates?

he isn't. but no one who posts here knows anything about what they post about, so our choices are limited.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore

By the time Florida came around, the media was declaring him DOA. Which is a self-fufilling prophesy - why would anyone want to vote for a guy who is going to pull out.

i'd vote for atticus' dad to have done it.


hey! i'm here all decade. don't forget to tip Ty.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Gattigap
No disagreement that Rudy fucked up tactically, and that's a part of it. But there's also the possibility that he led in early polls because primary voters knew nothing about him other than recollections of his 9/11 performance, and when they started to focus more, they decided they didn't like what they saw.

I think the guy was always conflicted about whether he could pull it off and whether he wanted to pull it off. Rudy's a dick, and he likes to have a good time and he's rolling in money, from a lot of creepy sources. I think deep down he knew his reputation would get killed on the trail and he's thinking now maybe he can get an AG nod from McCain and keep his personal life under wraps.

You know the Kerik trial would have been a PR disaster for his campaign.

[Diane_Keaton]

What wasn't to like? Both articulate, polite and intelligent. Their immigration stances are close and, in my mind at least, much more palatable and yes, humane. I even enjoyed a popsicle and kicked back for this debate. It's always more relaxing when you're watching a debate without a nagging image of meathead cops dragging away "illegal" family members from legal family members as everyone sobs and wails. The Round Up everyone seemed to agree on in The Reagan House. I had the kind of dread I get when I am about to read a Sebby post about sex and he's in a crazy mood.

Anyhow, all that nodding while the other spoke, refusing to let questioners divide the two (that was clever) and once, a slip from Hilary when she said "We will inherit X while at the White House" while she glanced at Obama. Do I smell a ticket here? Because, although he did well when he spoke, he seemed to defer to her a lot. Does he trust her enough to leave a legacy that will enable him to step up in 4-8 years?

No doubt, he owns the Iraq war issue. And he has fun describing all the different ways he can throw in the distinguishing factor (he voted no, she voted yes). My favorite was, "She has had experience from Day One. But It's important to be RIGHT from day one."

Good stuff.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Spanky
How is the support of Isreal in the Sttategic Interest of the United States?

What other assistance do they provide the United States besides our pissing of all the major oil producers by supporting them?

I understand the moral reasons for supporting them, but what strategic reasons are there?

Well, they do and have provided excellent intelligence support and sometimes military proxy support.

That said, I was thinking the same thing. Our support of Israel has been largely based on rather high-falutin' moral principles.

I'm all for that kind of stuff -- but in a strategic interest real-politik kind of way, it has been quite detrimental, especially since the Cold War ended.

S_A_M

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
What wasn't to like? Both articulate, polite and intelligent. Their immigration stances are close and, in my mind at least, much more palatable and yes, humane. I even enjoyed a popsicle and kicked back for this debate. It's always more relaxing when you're watching a debate without a nagging image of meathead cops dragging away "illegal" family members from legal family members as everyone sobs and wails. The Round Up everyone seemed to agree on in The Reagan House. I had the kind of dread I get when I am about to read a Sebby post about sex and he's in a crazy mood.

Anyhow, all that nodding while the other spoke, refusing to let questioners divide the two (that was clever) and once, a slip from Hilary when she said "We will inherit X while at the White House" while she glanced at Obama. Do I smell a ticket here? Because, although he did well when he spoke, he seemed to defer to her a lot. Does he trust her enough to leave a legacy that will enable him to step up in 4-8 years?

No doubt, he owns the Iraq war issue. And he has fun describing all the different ways he can throw in the distinguishing factor (he voted no, she voted yes). My favorite was, "She has had experience from Day One. But It's important to be RIGHT from day one."

Good stuff.

Hillary as Pres, Obama as VP, and Edwards as AG?

Which of Dante's rings is that in?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you don't get the negative from the other knuckle heads that could be Veep. I'm not sure an extreme Christian born again, or whatever Romney is could win at all. I know either Rudy or McCain can win. they can win michigan, and with Rudy maybe NY and NJ, maybe drop a southern state or two, but still.

They'd sew up Florida with that ticket as well.