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Old 10-29-2004, 11:02 PM   #661
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more ammunition for Bush opponents

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Maybe, too, because the outrage for some was over the way the NYT decided to Get Bush before any of the details were known. (Excuse me, now it's called "doing a Rather" - I forgot.)
You're really going to stick to this line? The NYT was right, but you don't care because really, they were just out to get Bush anyway? Amazing.
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Old 10-29-2004, 11:05 PM   #662
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He's alive or at least was by the end of the Dem primaries

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Real convincing. Looks like a Zemeckis film.
Yeah, and it sounded like a woman's voice. And when did he learn English?

Allah fucking Christ. You're starting to sound like a conspiracy nut.
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Old 10-29-2004, 11:08 PM   #663
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they're all useless. in 2000 the week before the election, RCP (Bush biased) was saying it would be close to a landslide for Bush. It was, ummm, wrong.

electoral-vote (lib biased) picks and chooses which polls it uses. It been ignoring the Detroit News polls that for weeks have it tied. finally today Zogby has michigan still a race- first time it's red.

So the polls are useless.
The estonians kick ass, though.
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Old 10-29-2004, 11:19 PM   #664
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He's alive or at least was by the end of the Dem primaries

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New OBL tape shows him commenting on how neither bush nor kerrey can ensure our safety. So he was alive at least by the end of the Dem primary.
It would, indeed, be really hard for Senator Kerrey to do much to ensure our safety from his retirement.
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Old 10-30-2004, 04:11 AM   #665
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this is meaningless, because the polls say what they say, but over the past few weeks the News has consistanly had it tied. I post only because you posted only to say i lied. I don't know what you linked to here, I don't know what a poll may say today. I do know the News has been consistant that its tied over the past few weeks.

PS you did give RT your paypal info, didn't you?
Follow my link and you can see what the Detroit News said. I didn't say you lied -- I said you were wrong, and you were.

RT's not going to need my PayPal info, but thanks for asking.
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Hi, who are you?
I invented that
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One clear difference between the GOP and Dems emerges in all the allegations of electoral fraud: the GOP complaints are all about people who don't deserve something getting it, and the Dems are all concerned about people who deserve something not getting it.
from bob harris talking about observing the US election from the UK
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from bob harris talking about observing the US election from the UK
That is ridiculous. Voting rules are there for a reason, and that is to prevent fraud. Please tell me how else we prevent voting fraud than with clearly defined rules and enforcement of those rules?
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Old 10-30-2004, 03:07 PM   #669
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That is ridiculous. Voting rules are there for a reason, and that is to prevent fraud. Please tell me how else we prevent voting fraud than with clearly defined rules and enforcement of those rules?
Well, if it were that easy, then why is the GOP in my state imploding?

New Ohio election uproar

Blackwell tries to ban challengers at polls; Petro refuses order

Going against his own party, Republican Secretary of State Ken Blackwell sought Friday to pre- vent battalions of political party activists from challenging Ohio voters at polling places on Tuesday.

Blackwell's stunning announcement, intended to settle federal lawsuits in Cincinnati and Akron, brought him into immediate conflict with the Ohio Republican Party and one of his 2006 gubernatorial rivals, Republican Attorney General Jim Petro.

Blackwell gave a perfunctory notice to Petro, faxed his recommendation to the judges and then rocked the state GOP by publicly instructing Petro, his lawyer, to formally present the settlement offer in both courts.

Petro said he would not.

"Neither the secretary of state nor I can negotiate away the legal rights of Ohio's citizens," Petro said in a statement released by his office. "Thus, I cannot submit to the federal courts the secretary's unlawful proposal to ban all challengers for all parties, candidates or issues on Election Day."

The clash between the state's chief elections officer and its chief lawyer threatens to throw into further turmoil an election that is already quivering with partisan rage as President Bush, Sen. John Kerry and their surrogates crisscross this key battleground state.

Both the Akron and Cincinnati lawsuits remain unresolved.

Blackwell's announcement in Columbus briefly halted a hearing before U.S. District Judge Susan Dlott in Cincinnati, where civil rights activists are seeking to have the state law that allows polling place challengers overturned as unconstitutional. After Dlott read Blackwell's news release, the room quickly emptied as nearly a dozen lawyers some appearing perplexed huddled in the hallways or dialed their cell phones to find out what was happening.

Just days earlier, Blackwell had directed county elections boards to allow a challenger in each precinct.

When court resumed, Assistant Attorney General Richard Coglianese told the judge he represented Petro but would no longer represent Blackwell.

"We are defending the statute and the rights of Ohioans," he said.

Later, Dlott announced that she had received word that the Justice Department planned to file a friend-of-the-court brief in the case.

Eric Holland, a spokesman for the Justice Department in Washington, would not comment Friday evening on the possibility of interceding. The department does plan to send civil rights division attorneys and staff to monitor the election in dozens of jurisdictions, including Cuyahoga, Franklin and Hamilton counties in Ohio.

Outside the courtroom, Hamilton County Republican Chairman Mike Barrett said GOP officials would not back off plans to place challengers in 251 precincts in Cincinnati and its suburbs that voted for Al Gore in 2000.

Those precincts are in predominantly black neighborhoods. In some, Gore got up to 99 percent of the votes, he said.

He said up to 20 percent of the precincts in Cincinnati are staffed entirely by Democrats who work for the board of elections.

"We need to observe," Barrett said.

Legal wrangling over challenges in voting precincts dominated by poor and black voters has left some Ohioans unsure whether or where to vote. But David Sullivan, Democratic voter protection coordinator in Ohio, said the challenges have galvanized minority voters.

Steven Huefner, an associate professor of law at Ohio State University, said Blackwell would have difficulty keeping challengers out of polling areas, but he said legal arguments that the law "is a holdover from Jim Crow-era statutes" might be persuasive.

"We've never had challengers in every precinct, or if not in every precinct, in so many predominantly African-American precincts," he said. "It does raise the specter both of some constitutional rights being violated, as well as violations of the Voting Rights Act."

Blackwell and Petro, who are both involved in the Bush-Cheney campaign, clashed earlier this week when Petro, against Blackwell's wishes, appealed an order in another case before Dlott in Cincinnati. Petro lost his appeal of Dlott's decision to halt GOP voter challenges in six Ohio counties. On Friday, Dlott expanded her order to cover all 88 Ohio counties.

Blackwell proposed the ban on challengers, but not witnesses, from polling places after the Summit County Democratic Party sued in federal court in Akron, seeking to overturn the law that permits challengers, and the Cincinnati challenge was filed by activists Marian and Don Spencer, who claimed that the challengers could intimidate and harass voters.

"It has no sensible application in today's democratic process," said Andrew Padrutt, executive director of the Summit County party. He said challenges would create delays at the polls and discourage people from voting and would not give disqualified voters ample time to appeal.

Blackwell said he disagreed that the law was discriminatory, but said he proposed the settlement in the interest of promoting a smooth election.

"While I do not agree there is any discriminatory intent or result from these statutes, I do believe a full airing of the issues cannot be completed prior to Tuesday's election," he said.

Democrats cheered Blackwell's proposal.

"It is now abundantly clear that the entire Republican voter-suppression effort is backfiring," Sullivan said.

George Forbes, president of the Cleveland chapter of the NAACP, agreed.

"I think it's great," Forbes said. "The Republicans are the ones who want the challenges. . . . If they withdraw, we can abide by that."

Mark Weaver, legal counsel for the Ohio GOP, tempered his comments.

"We have challengers ready to go to the polls, but we're going to abide by whatever the law is and we're going to allow elections officials to resolve what the rules are," he said. "The state party's position is whatever the law permits should be allowed, and right now the law allows" challengers.

In the short term, the Blackwell-Petro clash will only "sow more confusion," said John Green, director of the University of Akron's Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics.

"It sounds like Secretary Blackwell's position would probably be fairly popular among a wide spectrum of voters let's set all this aside until after the election,' " Green said. "Of course, Petro is saying this shouldn't prevent him from doing his job, which is to represent the state of Ohio in court. . . . There seems to be a struggle for advantage going on."

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more on why VA is the greatest state in the Union

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/...s-treat30.html

Paroled sex-offenders will be required to report to their parole offices from 5:30-8:30 on Halloween evening. Virginia could not be a more perfect state. That is all.

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Old 10-30-2004, 05:16 PM   #671
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Well, if it were that easy, then why is the GOP in my state imploding?

New Ohio election uproar

Blackwell tries to ban challengers at polls; Petro refuses order

Going against his own party, Republican Secretary of State Ken Blackwell sought Friday to pre- vent battalions of political party activists from challenging Ohio voters at polling places on Tuesday.

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Perhpas appropos of nothing, Blackwell is also the Chair of B/C '04 in Ohio. Intersting.

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Old 10-30-2004, 08:14 PM   #672
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Old 10-30-2004, 10:21 PM   #673
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FWIW, here's what the Kerry campaign's pollster, Stan Greenberg, is saying:
  • The stability in this poll reflects the overall stability of the race for president. This past week, George Bush polled 47.9 percent as the average of the public polls. That represents only a .5 point change compared to the prior week. Indeed, if one looks at the polls released Saturday and including polling after the release of the Bin Laden tape, Bush’s vote stands at 48 percent in one (Newsweek), 47 percent in one (Fox), and 46 percent in two (Zogby/Reuters and TIPP). That is a weaker result than for the polls released earlier in the week and prior to last weekend.

    (These results are based on the results for registered, when available, as that is consistent across polls and has been a better predictor of the final outcome.)

    Kerry’s vote was also stable at 46.4 percent on average, up .1 percent compared to the previous week. That is a dead-even race, where the undecided will play the final role, as they almost always break heavily against the incumbent.

    The undecided in the race is also stable. During this week, the average of the public polls was 4.4 percent. The polls completed for Saturday have an average undecided of 6 points. There is no evidence of undecided narrowing on this weekend or as result of recent events.

    The Democracy Corps combined polls as of Friday showed that the undecided (prior to being pushed to a preference) leaned toward the Democrats by two-to-one and favored a significant change in direction over continuing Bush’s direction by 58 to 29 percent, also two-to-one.

    The tracking for the Kerry campaign, conducted for the whole battleground and in key battleground states at the end of the week, including Friday night, show Kerry with a clear and stable lead.

    Bottom line, amidst the intensity of campaign’s final days, it is important to keep one’s eye on the stability and structure of this race, with Bush still short of what he needs to win.

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Old 10-30-2004, 11:29 PM   #674
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bin Laden's new tape

Bin Laden's new tape strikes me as a clever way to position himself to take credit for influencing the election. He doesn't particularly seem to favor either candidate, but by releasing a tape just days before the election, maybe he's hoping to take credit no matter who wins. If he seemed to be trying to produce a particular result, surely it would backfire (i.e., a bin Laden tape attacking either candidate would have the contrary effect).
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Old 10-30-2004, 11:52 PM   #675
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Bin Laden's new tape strikes me as a clever way to position himself to take credit for influencing the election. He doesn't particularly seem to favor either candidate, but by releasing a tape just days before the election, maybe he's hoping to take credit no matter who wins. If he seemed to be trying to produce a particular result, surely it would backfire (i.e., a bin Laden tape attacking either candidate would have the contrary effect).
He needs a better PR team. Releasing a video at close of business on a Friday? Amateur.
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