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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

YW! I'm certain it is the right choice. I hope you did not go with the Barbour bucket hat on dtb's advice, though. Nothing wrong with the hat, but just for fun, go to www.barbour.com. When the first splash page comes up, see how many things you can spot that make you seethe with misanthropic rage before the second splash page (the one with the bizarre Anglophile motorcycle club) replaces it. I counted ten!

Wow. Very few things have made me long for a belt-fed fifty-caliber machine gun more than that little window into hell.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

my first thought was that the two girls didn't like the sick girl as much as she liked them. I'll bet she was a third if not fourth or fifth wheel.

Girls can be so mean.

I have left many, many bars without the friends (of every gender) I came in with, without knowing where they were, without knowing if they were all right, and "with memory loss for the event," as the Ambien commercials so delightfully describe it these days. This does not make it right, or good. I am, as they say, just saying.

[dtb]

Originally Posted by ironweed

Wow. Very few things have made me long for a belt-fed fifty-caliber machine gun more than that little window into hell.

Is this your aughts version of "barrel in mouth, toe on trigger"? If so, me likey!

Just so you know, I never had to visit that site to purchase my hat. Ebay.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by ironweed

Girls can be so mean.

I have left many, many bars without the friends (of every gender) I came in with, without knowing where they were, without knowing if they were all right, and "with memory loss for the event," as the Ambien commercials so delightfully describe it these days. This does not make it right, or good. I am, as they say, just saying.

I don't have a problem with leaving friends. The blowing off a phone call from the ER at four in the morning is where the "friend" definition for these folk fail.

[PresentTense Pirate Penske]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I don't have a problem with leaving friends. The blowing off a phone call from the ER at four in the morning is where the "friend" definition for these folk fail.

I'm usually unwakeably passed out when those calls come in. More from the sexxx than the substances.

[ltl/fb]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I don't have a problem with leaving friends. The blowing off a phone call from the ER at four in the morning is where the "friend" definition for these folk fail.

Mostly, I just have gut feelings to go with now. And recent experiences. Gut feelings don't require physical proximity and seem pretty accurate so far. I don't know unless someone tells me who, if anyone, ignored calls from the ER.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Huh. My first thoughts were that: (1) it was reasonable to have thought she had left - me and my friends do it all the time (although we are men); (2) the girlfriends were likely drunk and shouldn't drive back to the club; and (3) if they were drunk, the same applied to driving to the hospital to sit shiva.

All that and who knows how blacked-out girl behaved while drugged. She might have pissed them off in ways that she doesn't remember, and which they thought at the time was just annoying drunk behavior.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Sparklehorse

Maybe it is a gender thing but I've never gone out to a bar with 1 or 2 friends and left without knowing where they might be. I'm not exactly a bar fly either so maybe that's a factor. I also wouldn't likely drink enough to be rendered ineffective if I got a call at 4 am from the same friend who needed to be picked up at the hospital. I don't think the issue was holding the letter-writer's hand in the ER but rather that the hospital wouldn't just release her without someone else to drive her home.

This does not sound like a gender thing. This sounds like a "you can't relate to the hypothetical" thing.

[leagleaze]

Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen

It's not what I would have done.

Nor I. I know men leave each other alone a lot, but women don't, at least not in my experience. I was always taught if you go out with a group of (female) friends, you make sure you leave together or at least that everyone is ok and able to get home. It doesn't really matter if you are close or not, you go out together you keep an eye on each other. It is just a necessary part of being a woman in the wonderful world in which we live. Perhaps young women aren't taught this any more. As far as the hospital, if a good friend reached out to me at 4:00 in the morning from the hospital, I would rush to be by his/her side. As far as I am concerned, that is part of being a good friend.

[Gattigap]

Originally Posted by ironweed

Girls can be so mean.

I have left many, many bars without the friends (of every gender) I came in with, without knowing where they were, without knowing if they were all right, and "with memory loss for the event," as the Ambien commercials so delightfully describe it these days. This does not make it right, or good. I am, as they say, just saying.

Fine, fine. But when the conversation turns to "yah, I knew yer got the right name but just tell me yer knot a fookin OrangeShirt", that's not necessarily the moment to turn away and ask for the next Smithwicks.

[Sparklehorse]

Originally Posted by Adder

This does not sound like a gender thing. This sounds like a "you can't relate to the hypothetical" thing.

Nevermind.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by leagleaze

Nor I. I know men leave each other alone a lot, but women don't, at least not in my experience. I was always taught if you go out with a group of (female) friends, you make sure you leave together or at least that everyone is ok and able to get home. It doesn't really matter if you are close or not, you go out together you keep an eye on each other. It is just a necessary part of being a woman in the wonderful world in which we live. Perhaps young women aren't taught this any more. As far as the hospital, if a good friend reached out to me at 4:00 in the morning from the hospital, I would rush to be by his/her side. As far as I am concerned, that is part of being a good friend.

It is shocking to me that this is hard.

My late night bar days are long gone, and I never much liked bars anyways, but I never left a library or museum not knowing what happened to those I came with, and I can't imagine not responding to the Hospital call even for an acquaintence (ya'all can call at 4 am from the hospital - as long as you're somewhere in Eastern Massachusetts, I'm not going to Texas or California at that hour).

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by leagleaze

nor i. I know men leave each other alone a lot, but women don't, at least not in my experience. I was always taught if you go out with a group of (female) friends, you make sure you leave together or at least that everyone is ok and able to get home. It doesn't really matter if you are close or not, you go out together you keep an eye on each other. It is just a necessary part of being a woman in the wonderful world in which we live. Perhaps young women aren't taught this any more. As far as the hospital, if a good friend reached out to me at 4:00 in the morning from the hospital, i would rush to be by his/her side. As far as i am concerned, that is part of being a good friend.

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[Sparklehorse]

Originally Posted by greedy,greedy,greedy

it is shocking to me that this is hard.

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[dtb]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

It is shocking to me that this is hard.

I can't imagine not responding to the Hospital call even for an acquaintence (ya'all can call at 4 am from the hospital - as long as you're somewhere in Eastern Massachusetts, I'm not going to Texas or California at that hour).

Too right. If someone I didn't know too well called me with an emergency from the hospital, I'd think -- "Man, s/he's really scraping the bottom of the barrel if s/he's calling me." I couldn't imagine ignoring a plea for help like that. Dat's CRAZEEE.