Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways - Page 5

Shape Shifter · 10-26-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Stop it. I'm spitting coffee now.

True. The media was incredibly biased against Gore in the last election and they've been unbelievably lenient towards W for the majority of his presidency. I'm with you. I'm sick of the right wing bias in the media.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 10-26-2004, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
True. The media was incredibly biased against Gore in the last election and they've been unbelievably lenient towards W for the majority of his presidency. I'm with you. I'm sick of the right wing bias in the media.

I don't think it's a permanent right-wing bias. They have an interest in having a good story and a reason for everyone to tune in. Thus, Kerry cleans Bush's clock in the debates, and the media do their best to interpret it as a slight advantage lest Kerry run away with it. The media wants this close, and is perfectly willing to tilt toward a buffoon like Bush to keep him close.

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 10-26-2004, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Stop it. I'm spitting now.

Just like Monica was when the "liberal" press was HAMMERING Clinton?

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-26-2004, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
True. The media was incredibly biased against Gore in the last election and they've been unbelievably lenient towards W for the majority of his presidency. I'm with you. I'm sick of the right wing bias in the media.

Well run an interesting candidate for God's sake and maybe the media will fall in love with the left all over again. W is a media Godsend. He's a fumbling crowned gimp who's being directed by a pack of pseudo-intellectual lunatics bent on reshaping the world order. You will not see any Patriot Acts, John Ashcrofts, Iraq Wars, Farenheit 9/11s, chronic malapropisms, bungled debates, outing of CIA agents and the rest of the untoward behaviors coming out of this Admin during a Kerry Presidency. Kerry will bore us to tears, and then in 2008, he'll beat Bill Frist like a red-headed stepchild (because Bill Frist is the Jesus Loon equivalent of Kerry) and we'll get Herman Munster through 2112. The news outlets will have more layoffs than the manufacturing sector. These people are not fools. They need W to act a fool and keep the charges of criminal activity and incompetence in the oval office roaring for another four years.

Monkeys are much more interesting than their handlers.

bilmore · 10-26-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm sorry. I should have dropped a footnote to remind you that I and the rest of the English-speaking world use the word "partisan" in a more narrow way than you do.

I see. Rather is "market-driven", while Fox is "partisan".

I forgot - in your area, English is a second language. If that.

sgtclub · 10-26-2004, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
If you read Wolcott regularly, you might see the irony in quoting from his complaints about slurring.

Still, I agree with him in a way. This not not WFB's NR.

sgtclub · 10-26-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
So far, best guess is after the inspectors pulled out, and then we spent months trying to talk France into helping us before we went in.

Global tests aren't cheap.

Fess up, you stole that line today.

bilmore · 10-26-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Fess up, you stole that line today.

I did. Shamelessly.

'Cuz it was right.

(ETA - See, I prefer to think that I merely emphasized what you said earlier.)

Shape Shifter · 10-26-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore

Oddly enough, and as I said earlier, contrary to the bogus NYT claims, this material was already "missing" when the boots arrived on the ground:

Jim Miklaszewski of NBC News pretty much dismantled the New York Times attack on behalf of Kerry today.

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April 10, 2003, only three weeks into the war, NBC News was embedded with troops from the Army's 101st Airborne as they temporarily take over the Al Qakaa weapons installation south of Baghdad. But these troops never found the nearly 380 tons of some of the most powerful conventional explosives, called HMX and RDX, which is now missing. The U.S. troops did find large stockpiles of more conventional weapons, but no HMX or RDX, so powerful less than a pound brought down Pan Am 103 in 1988, and can be used to trigger a nuclear weapon. In a letter this month, the Iraqi interim government told the International Atomic Energy Agency the high explosives were lost to theft and looting due to lack of security. Critics claim there were simply not enough U.S. troops to guard hundreds of weapons stockpiles, weapons now being used by insurgents and terrorists to wage a guerrilla war in Iraq.
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(NBC’s “Nightly News,” 10/25/04)

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Damn that drudge. He's always so quick to pull the trigger instead of waiting for the story to develop. From Josh:

Now, NBC's Jim Miklaszewski just went on MSNBC with this follow-up (emphasis added) ...

Following up on that story from last night, military officials tell NBC News that on April 10, 2003, when the Second Brigade of the 101st Airborne entered the Al QaQaa weapons facility, south of Baghdad, that those troops were actually on their way to Baghdad, that they were not actively involved in the search for any weapons, including the high explosives, HMX and RDX. The troops did observe stock piles of conventional weapons but no HMX or RDX. And because the Al Qaqaa facility is so huge, it's not clear that those troops from the 101st were actually anywhere near the bunkers that reportedly contained the HMX and RDX.

So I guess the NYT's story is now remantled?

Replaced_Texan · 10-26-2004, 05:10 PM

According to an e-mail from Democracy For Texas, DeLay is suing Democracy for America over this ad, which has been airing here in Houston.

There were rumors over at Kos that this was going to happen, and I imagine a lot more people are going to see the ad than before. Thanks, Mr. DeLay, for the advertising. The Morrison campaign doesn't have the kind of money that you do.

Defamation? Seriously? Lemme guess: loathsome disease.

ETA text of email

DELAY SUES DEMOCRACY FOR AMERICA
In a move apparently designed to try to intimidate Howard Dean and DFA, Tom DeLay has filed suit, charging defamation of character (seriously), over an ad being run by DFA in Houston in support of Dean Dozen candidate Richard Morrison. So has Governor Dean backed down? In true Dean fashion, he’s responded by saying DFA will begin running another ad tonight. To view the current ad, go to https://secure.bluestatedigital.com/...etiretomdelay.

Stay tuned!

ETA again: I've called him an unethical asshole, an asshole, a fucking asshole, a motherfucker, and "like a cockroach" on this board. And I hold back here. I may have to seek legal counsel. Gattigap?

SlaveNoMore · 10-26-2004, 05:29 PM

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Shape Shifter
Damn that drudge. He's always so quick to pull the trigger instead of waiting for the story to develop. From Josh:

Now, NBC's Jim Miklaszewski just went on MSNBC with this follow-up (emphasis added) ...

Following up on that story from last night, military officials tell NBC News that on April 10, 2003, when the Second Brigade of the 101st Airborne entered the Al QaQaa weapons facility, south of Baghdad, that those troops were actually on their way to Baghdad, that they were not actively involved in the search for any weapons, including the high explosives, HMX and RDX. The troops did observe stock piles of conventional weapons but no HMX or RDX. And because the Al Qaqaa facility is so huge, it's not clear that those troops from the 101st were actually anywhere near the bunkers that reportedly contained the HMX and RDX.

So I guess the NYT's story is now remantled?

Counterpoint

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-26-2004, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
According to an e-mail from Democracy For Texas, DeLay is suing Democracy for America over this ad, which has been airing here in Houston.

There were rumors over at Kos that this was going to happen, and I imagine a lot more people are going to see the ad than before. Thanks, Mr. DeLay, for the advertising. The Morrison campaign doesn't have the kind of money that you do.

Defamation? Seriously?

ETA text of email

DELAY SUES DEMOCRACY FOR AMERICA
In a move apparently designed to try to intimidate Howard Dean and DFA, Tom DeLay has filed suit, charging defamation of character (seriously), over an ad being run by DFA in Houston in support of Dean Dozen candidate Richard Morrison. So has Governor Dean backed down? In true Dean fashion, he’s responded by saying DFA will begin running another ad tonight. To view the current ad, go to https://secure.bluestatedigital.com/...etiretomdelay.

Stay tuned!

ETA again: I've called him an unethical asshole, an asshole, a fucking asshole, a motherfucker, and "like a cockroach" on this board. And I hold back here. I may have to seek legal counsel. Gettigap?

I was at a cocktail party a few weeks ago where a woman who once cleaned Delay's Washington residence claimed she found him on all fours, in a leather mask, wearing nipple clamps, garters and ballet tutu while fondling an unconscious blond boy in a catholic school uniform. Delay told the cleaning lady that he'd have her skinned and fed to mudsharks in the Potomac basin if she told a soul.

Check out the full story at:
www. tomdelayislivingproofyoucanovercomeseverefetalalcoholsydrome.com

bilmore · 10-26-2004, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I've called him an unethical asshole, an asshole, a fucking asshole, a motherfucker, and "like a cockroach" on this board. And I hold back here. I may have to seek legal counsel.

I'm confused as to why or how legal counsel could help you think of more. Generally, that's not what they do.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-26-2004, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I see. Rather is "market-driven", while Fox is "partisan".

I forgot - in your area, English is a second language. If that.

FOX is both partisan and market-driven. They have wisely figured out that the market will reward what they do.

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-26-2004, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Counterpoint

Slave,

I noticed that you never cited all of Buckley's commentary about his grievous doubts about the Iraq war. Nor do you cite the NR articles from conservatives ripping Bush for spending like a drunken democrat.

If Buckley's rag (I admit I read it also, and like it) is the bible (and it is about as well written and funny as political crap gets), why not cite all the books of it?

Just an observation,
SD