A Friendly Correction for those Man-Haters who Delve to be Single

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by tmdiva

Soooooo. Coffee with Carrie Brownstein is an item in my kids' school auction. How much should I bid?

tm

Auction items I want (I don't know who Carrie Brownstein is) I bid to the level of enjoyment I will get, of course within what I can afford. Like once in a city charity auction someone put up taking two people out with him on Oakland Hills. My dad is lower middle class and a lifelong golfer. I went into the auction to get it. I had an upper budget, but the experience of taking him out was the value. I got it for a third of my budget.

my advice is to "bid back" immediately if someone goes over you. Like the other guy tops your bid. Immediately top that, especially if he is taking longer and longer to decide. you break their spirit that way.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Not sure if I have said this before, but in case not:

A long time ago, before Coach K became "Coach K" and Duke became what it is now, Coach K was exceptionally decent to me at some inconvenience to him, something probably no one else noticed or cared about. Since then, I have seen him say and do things I disagree with, and suspect that his position could have the same corrosive effect on his soul that Article III has on that of many federal judges, but he still gets the benefit of the doubt from me.

it's not his soul, it's his brain that whacked. he probably thought it noble to walk into that locker room.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Auction items I want (I don't know who Carrie Brownstein is) I bid to the level of enjoyment I will get, of course within what I can afford. Like once in a city charity auction someone put up taking two people out with him on Oakland Hills. My dad is lower middle class and a lifelong golfer. I went into the auction to get it. I had an upper budget, but the experience of taking him out was the value. I got it for a third of my budget.

my advice is to "bid back" immediately if someone goes over you. Like the other guy tops your bid. Immediately top that, especially if he is taking longer and longer to decide. you break their spirit that way.

Carrie Brownstein was in Sleater-Kinney, which rocked. Now she makes fun of Northwestern sensibilities.

On the topic of rap with artistic and cultural integrity that Ferrets has never listened to, anyone planning to check out Outkast this summer? Best live hip hop act I have ever seen.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Carrie Brownstein was in Sleater-Kinney, which rocked. Now she makes fun of Northwestern sensibilities.

On the topic of rap with artistic and cultural integrity that Ferrets has never listened to, anyone planning to check out Outkast this summer? Best live hip hop act I have ever seen.

Screw that. They do nothing but glorify gangs and violence. And sex. And blowjobs. Horrifying.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

I agree it has that effect on some viewers, but if I worried too much about that, it would kill my enjoyment of movies and all art. The Catcher in the Rye had the effect of millions of idiots thinking Salinger thought Caulfield was a hero, and it’s probably the most popular book on death row. We don’t need to let the world be run by people who think Lolita "glorified" pedophilia.

Now we're just talking past each other. I'm not sure many gangster movies intend to glorify gangster life (although, this is arguable, considering to whom they'd like to sell tickets). I am sure that they actually do in the minds of most people (and I think we're in agreement that most people are fucking stupid). I think your example of Lolita doesn't really work, but I'm fairly certain you knew that already.

What's really confusing is your reference to us letting the world be run by the idiots who turn something that should be viewed as a lesson in the consequences of criminal activity into something else. I fail to see how understanding how something affects those people grants them world-running authority. I look at it quite factually. Does Godfather have the effect of glorifying the mafia and gangsters? On most (not some) people, yes. The next two questions ("Did it intend to?" and "Are people generally stupid?") are largely irrelevant to the first.

If you'd like to have a deeper Ferrets-type conversation about whether or not the movie makers in question have some sort of duty to society given how their movie will be interpreted or whether or not there is artistic value in art that glorifies activity we can all agree is negative, that's a different story.

TM

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Screw that. They do nothing but glorify gangs and violence. And sex. And blowjobs. Horrifying.

The fellatio glorification is the cultural integrity to which I was referring.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Now we're just talking past each other. I'm not sure many gangster movies intend to glorify gangster life (although, this is arguable, considering to whom they'd like to sell tickets). I am sure that they actually do in the minds of most people (and I think we're in agreement that most people are fucking stupid). I think your example of Lolita doesn't really work, but I'm fairly certain you knew that already.

What's really confusing is your reference to us letting the world be run by the idiots who turn something that should be viewed as a lesson in the consequences of criminal activity into something else. I fail to see how understanding how something affects those people grants them world-running authority. I look at it quite factually. Does Godfather have the effect of glorifying the mafia and gangsters? On most (not some) people, yes. The next two questions ("Did it intend to?" and "Are people generally stupid?") are largely irrelevant to the first.

If you'd like to have a deeper Ferrets-type conversation about whether or not the movie makers in question have some sort of duty to society given how their movie will be interpreted or whether or not there is artistic value in art that glorifies activity we can all agree is negative, that's a different story.

TM

Listen, you clearly stated that you wanted to appoint all people who believed that gangster movies glorified the organize crime lifestyle as Co-Supreme Emperors of the World. That's the thing about the internet. It's all there in black and white. You want these people to rule over all of us, which is fucking scary. That's what you said. Don't try to backpedal now.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Not sure if I have said this before, but in case not:

A long time ago, before Coach K became "Coach K" and Duke became what it is now, Coach K was exceptionally decent to me at some inconvenience to him, something probably no one else noticed or cared about. Since then, I have seen him say and do things I disagree with, and suspect that his position could have the same corrosive effect on his soul that Article III has on that of many federal judges, but he still gets the benefit of the doubt from me.

That's cool with me. I think he's a fucking scumbag who, after his guy intentionally* smashes the face of his opponent at the end of a game they're losing, says shit like, "The game was over before that. I mean the outcome of the game, let's put it that way. That's unfortunate, too, that those people were in the game in that play. Maybe this wouldn't have happened." And it's probably the most petty, disgraceful thing a coach of a big time program** has ever said. And he gets a pass.

That and lots of other shit that I've brought up many times here.

TM

*There is not an angle of that incident you can play in which it is not overwhelmingly obvious that Henderson didn't intentionally strike Hansbrough.

**Scratch that. I just remembered Bobby Knight existed.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Now we're just talking past each other. I'm not sure many gangster movies intend to glorify gangster life (although, this is arguable, considering to whom they'd like to sell tickets). I am sure that they actually do in the minds of most people (and I think we're in agreement that most people are fucking stupid). I think your example of Lolita doesn't really work, but I'm fairly certain you knew that already.

What's really confusing is your reference to us letting the world be run by the idiots who turn something that should be viewed as a lesson in the consequences of criminal activity into something else. I fail to see how understanding how something affects those people grants them world-running authority. I look at it quite factually. Does Godfather have the effect of glorifying the mafia and gangsters? On most (not some) people, yes. The next two questions ("Did it intend to?" and "Are people generally stupid?") are largely irrelevant to the first.

If you'd like to have a deeper Ferrets-type conversation about whether or not the movie makers in question have some sort of duty to society given how their movie will be interpreted or whether or not there is artistic value in art that glorifies activity we can all agree is negative, that's a different story.

TM

I rooted for the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

I agree it has that effect on some viewers, but if I worried too much about that, it would kill my enjoyment of movies and all art. The Catcher in the Rye had the effect of millions of idiots thinking Salinger thought Caulfield was a hero, and it’s probably the most popular book on death row. We don’t need to let the world be run by people who think Lolita "glorified" pedophilia.

Perhaps, but I still distrust the perspective of someone with your kind of twisted authority figure issues.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

I rooted for the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park.

Didn't we all?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by tmdiva

Soooooo. Coffee with Carrie Brownstein is an item in my kids' school auction. How much should I bid?

tm

Depends on what's more important to you, paying the tuition or having the coffee. I say go with the coffee.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

I rooted for the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park.

when my wife met some of my swarthy Uncles she was pretty much expecting to have familia that could fix problem people for her. which I think means aspects of the GF glorified the mafia, right?

she was disappointed when she learned they all worked in factories.

then i met my Australian Calabrese cousins, and I'm pretty sure they can fix problem people, but in Australia, which has limited value to me.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Now we're just talking past each other. I'm not sure many gangster movies intend to glorify gangster life (although, this is arguable, considering to whom they'd like to sell tickets). I am sure that they actually do in the minds of most people (and I think we're in agreement that most people are fucking stupid). I think your example of Lolita doesn't really work, but I'm fairly certain you knew that already.

What's really confusing is your reference to us letting the world be run by the idiots who turn something that should be viewed as a lesson in the consequences of criminal activity into something else. I fail to see how understanding how something affects those people grants them world-running authority. I look at it quite factually. Does Godfather have the effect of glorifying the mafia and gangsters? On most (not some) people, yes. The next two questions ("Did it intend to?" and "Are people generally stupid?") are largely irrelevant to the first.

If you'd like to have a deeper Ferrets-type conversation about whether or not the movie makers in question have some sort of duty to society given how their movie will be interpreted or whether or not there is artistic value in art that glorifies activity we can all agree is negative, that's a different story.

TM

Isn't this exactly what people who objected to Wolf of Wall Street were talking about? That by making the movie it was giving the guy a pass for and glorifying his behavior (and making him more money in the process)?

[Note: I have not seen Wolf of Wall Street.]

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

I agree it has that effect on some viewers, but if I worried too much about that, it would kill my enjoyment of movies and all art. The Catcher in the Rye had the effect of millions of idiots thinking Salinger thought Caulfield was a hero, and it’s probably the most popular book on death row. We don’t need to let the world be run by people who think Lolita "glorified" pedophilia.

"Glorified" is the wrong term. The popular concern is "normalizing," as in, "Walter White normalized meth."

Some things simply cannot be the subject of mass consumed art, at all, ever.