Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways

[Adder]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Florida Sec'y of State said - game over, Bush wins.

Bunch of lawsuits filed - some local judges say - ignore the state law, start recounting.

SCOTUS for myriads of reasons - some federalist, others pragmatic, sides with the State.

As you are so much smarter than me, please explain what I am missing?

Um.. what now? It's been awhile since I read it, but my recollection of Bush v. Gore is that SCOTUS said that a recount with out a uniform standard would violate equal protection.

It then concluded that there was no uniform, state-wide standard (despite the statutory "clear intent of the voter" language"), that there could be no recount.

In other words, SCOTUS found that you have a right to have your vote counted on the same basis as the person in the next county. What's federalist or "strict constructionalist" about that?

Ad(and feel free to explain why this only applies within state lines)der

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
Why do you say that? Point to a single study that shows that embroyonic stem cells hold the key to alzheimers. The available evidence indicates that adult stem cells, small molecule pharmaceuticals, and genetic therapy are more promising avenues of research for developing treatments for alzheimers.

You are ignorant of this topic.

Mel Gibson just e-mailed me to say that Proposition 71 is about cloning. Which I hadn't heard. I'm not clear why he's e-mailing me in Spanish, though.

[Adder]

D'oh. Hit the wrong button. Feel free to delete.

[viet_mom]

Caption Please?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Saturday Zogby- Kerry up 1
Sunday Zogby- tied
Today Zogby- Bush up 1

What about the energy traders?

"LONDON (Reuters) - Oil prices fell sharply on Monday on speculation that a U.S. election win for Senator John Kerry (news - web sites) could ease the geopolitical friction that has helped fuel this year's record-breaking rally.

. . .

" 'A Bush status quo results in somewhat higher oil prices both in the short and the longer term, in my view,' said Tim Evans, senior analyst at IFR Energy Services.

"PFC is forecasting an average U.S. crude price of $43 a barrel in 2005 should Kerry win, compared with $48 a barrel in the event Bush triumphed. It sees $52 on average in the first quarter 2005 under Bush compared with $45 under Kerry.

"PFC said a Bush win could stoke nervousness about U.S. policies in the oil-producing Middle East, while Kerry is seen as more likely to work through diplomatic channels.

"A Kerry victory could also mean more financing for renewable energy sources and trigger a push for tighter mileage standards for gas-guzzling sport utility vehicles. "

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Adder
Umm... help me out... exactly how? More Dems than Reps are home on weekends?? You sure you don't mean weekdays (on accounta how Reps work and Dems are all on the dole)?

Actually, Dems are more likely to be home on both weekends and weekdays. The elderly, the disabled, welfare moms sitting around getting obese, out of work union members are all more likely to be home weekdays and weekends and they are more likely to be Dems.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What about the energy traders?

"LONDON (Reuters) - Oil prices fell sharply on Monday on speculation that a U.S. election win for Senator John Kerry (news - web sites) could ease the geopolitical friction that has helped fuel this year's record-breaking rally.

. . .

" 'A Bush status quo results in somewhat higher oil prices both in the short and the longer term, in my view,' said Tim Evans, senior analyst at IFR Energy Services.

"PFC is forecasting an average U.S. crude price of $43 a barrel in 2005 should Kerry win, compared with $48 a barrel in the event Bush triumphed. It sees $52 on average in the first quarter 2005 under Bush compared with $45 under Kerry.

"PFC said a Bush win could stoke nervousness about U.S. policies in the oil-producing Middle East, while Kerry is seen as more likely to work through diplomatic channels.

"A Kerry victory could also mean more financing for renewable energy sources and trigger a push for tighter mileage standards for gas-guzzling sport utility vehicles. "

The reason gas prices are high doesn't have to do with the situation in the middle east. It is a simple supply/demand issue. Demand from India and China has increased as they have become more industrialized.

No matter who is prez in the US, the days of cheap gas are over. It is not because of Iraq, but rather, because of China and India.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Not Me
Actually, Dems are more likely to be home on both weekends and weekdays. The elderly, the disabled, welfare moms sitting around getting obese, out of work union members are all more likely to be home weekdays and weekends and they are more likely to be Dems.

You say nothing that support's Slave's "weekend polls are skewed to Dems" argument.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Not Me
The reason gas prices are high doesn't have to do with the situation in the middle east.

You really buy that? It's so cute how you swallow the party line hook and all.

[Santorum]

Originally posted by Not Me
Actually, Dems are more likely to be home on both weekends and weekdays. The elderly, the disabled, welfare moms sitting around getting obese, out of work union members are all more likely to be home weekdays and weekends and they are more likely to be Dems.

Are you employed yet? I'm just asking, is all.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

From tomorrow morning's Washington Post, via TPM:

• Bush's aides predicted victory when talking on the record, pointing to polls showing that the race remained a tossup, both nationally and in key states. But despite the insistence that all was well, the erosion in the moods of Bush's inner circle over the past two weeks was unmistakable. Several of his close advisers said they were concerned because the president had achieved no last-minute momentum, and Democratic turnout was looking as if it might swamp the Bush-Cheney campaign's projections.
  
  A GOP official who is privy to Bush-Cheney strategy and polling said that as the incumbent, Bush should be further ahead of Kerry in polls. "Some of them have been moving in the right direction, but it isn't enough," the official said. "Karl [Rove] is a big believer in the bandwagon effect, but there has been nothing over the past week for the president to use it to turn it around."

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
From tomorrow morning's Washington Post, via TPM:

• Bush's aides predicted victory when talking on the record, pointing to polls showing that the race remained a tossup, both nationally and in key states. But despite the insistence that all was well, the erosion in the moods of Bush's inner circle over the past two weeks was unmistakable. Several of his close advisers said they were concerned because the president had achieved no last-minute momentum, and Democratic turnout was looking as if it might swamp the Bush-Cheney campaign's projections.
  
  A GOP official who is privy to Bush-Cheney strategy and polling said that as the incumbent, Bush should be further ahead of Kerry in polls. "Some of them have been moving in the right direction, but it isn't enough," the official said. "Karl [Rove] is a big believer in the bandwagon effect, but there has been nothing over the past week for the president to use it to turn it around."

Early voting looks good. Blogling so you don't have to:

ARE EARLY VOTERS DIFFERENT? Reports from the early voting are trickling in and, at least in two make-or-break battleground states, show a pretty dramatic preference for John Kerry over George W. Bush. In Florida, the latest Gallup poll showed that about a third of the polled voters had already cast ballots and that Kerry led 51 percent to 43 percent among them. In Iowa, according to The Des Moines Register, 27 percent of those polled by Saturday had already voted, and Kerry was similarly favored 52 percent to 41 percent by the early birds. In both states, those who had yet to vote were more pro-Bush than those who'd already cast ballots. So what explains the difference?

http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archi...ex.html#004622

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Ty has a piece up about ABC producers who went to K/E04 and B/C04 events wearing the other team's tee shirts. The rules were that they were supposed to obtain tickets and act respectfully once inside. At the Kerry event, Kerry people surrounded the producers but otherwise didn't harrass them. At the Bush event, the producers were asked to leave and it was suggested that law enforcement could help them find the door.

There've been hundreds of accounts of this sort of thing. People arrested, women wearing nonpartisan "protect civil rights" tee shirts kicked out, loyalty oaths, a loyalty pledge....

Why? Why kick out people who hold opposing views? Especially since Bush has been directly addressing Democrats in the last week or so. Aside from Zell Miller and the members of the media, there aren't any Democrats in the crowd to address.

This is a very, very close election. Why alienate half of the constituancy? Why refuse to even address those people?

Obviously, I'm horribly biased against Bush, but this is something I truly don't understand. The practice has gotten a lot of press, and obviously the Rs think they get more milage out of it or they would have cut it out a long time ago. I just dont' understand why.

This is nothing but a dirty trick pulled on the eve of election. Why should bilmore trust anything Dan Rather and his minions in the liberal media report? Maybe if he saw it linked on drudge . . .

[Shape Shifter]

More from blogland:

Funny Monkeys

I'd wondered what happened to this little story on Drudge. It didn't sound quite right, and then it magically disappeared...


In 11th Hour Gambit, RNC Tries Hoodwinking Press: Splices DNC Call and Makes False Accusations
Washington DC - Today, the Republican National Committee tried to falsely accuse the Democratic National Committee of claiming the endorsement of General Schwarzkopf. In fact, the RNC spliced a DNC recorded telephone call by General Merrill "Tony" McPeak, urging voters to vote for John Kerry, and attempted to peddle the doctored audio file to the press.

In response, DNC Communications Director Jano Cabrera issued the following statement:

"This is a desperate, pathetic, 11th hour dirty trick by the Republicans. In an effort to gin up a last minute media controversy and smear the Democrats, the Republicans intentionally spliced a recorded call by Four Star General 'Tony' McPeak and tried to peddle it to the press. This type of dishonesty is a fitting end to George W. Bush's failed Presidency, a Presidency that unfortunately for the American people, was also defined by deceit and deception."

General McPeak’s recorded telephone call is available for download at:


link
Transcript of General McPeak’s call:

Hi, I'm General Tony McPeak and as Chief of the air force during the first Gulf War, I worked closely with Colin Powell and Norm Schwarzkopf. In 2000, I voted for George W. Bush. This year I'm voting for John Kerry. George Bush took his eye off the ball and the war on terror and took us into a poorly planned war in Iraq, letting Al Qaeda, the people responsible for September 11th attack on us, regroup. John Kerry has a real plan to make the military stronger and to go after the terrorists wherever they hide. On November 2 we need to vote for change, a vote for John Kerry.



Remember folks, it's not the sex, it's the lying. Now, the real question, should our press care, is did they lie to Schwarzkopf too or is Schwarzkopf a liar?

http://atrios.blogspot.com/

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Not Me
The reason gas prices are high doesn't have to do with the situation in the middle east. It is a simple supply/demand issue. Demand from India and China has increased as they have become more industrialized.

No matter who is prez in the US, the days of cheap gas are over. It is not because of Iraq, but rather, because of China and India.

Your grasp of the futures markets rivals Hillary's.