Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You are absolutely fucking crazy. If they weren't trying to bury what is in Mueller's report, they would just release it to show just how little it contains. They will not because it contains a whole lot of shit about Trump (and his entire Administration) they don't want to get out. There is absolutely no getting around that.

TM

Just read this to see how nicely Sebby's arguments coincide with conservative talking points. Lots of conservatives are saying all sorts of things in manifest bad faith. Sebby is saying the same things. I can't say (and doubt) he is saying things in bad faith. I think it's likelier that he sees this crap being mainstreamed in the media ("the media") and thinks it is underrepresented in the discourse here.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Why speculate? Let's see it and we'll find out.

The soiling may well be happening now, because people have four pages and have filled four days of news with it. When those four pages can all be verified pretty easily.

My problem here is with the majority of the media’s rush to judgment.

I guess we fell into discussing whether there is any material evidence being withheld as part of the discussion of whether that majority of the media had good reason to prejudge.

I think they are absolutely trying to hide the full report because it contains embarrassing and damaging information about Trump and the administration. I want the entire report to come out, out of personal curiosity, if nothing else. And I think all of the report will eventually come out.

The friction in the discussion right now is in trying to determine how much of an Exoneration this report provides to Trump. It seems to me he can claim some measure of exoneration. I don’t know how much exactly. Similarly, the majority of the media deserves some level of opprobrium. How much? I’m not sure.

You’re right that we won’t know the exact answer to either question until the report is released.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Just read this to see how nicely Sebby's arguments coincide with conservative talking points. Lots of conservatives are saying all sorts of things in manifest bad faith. Sebby is saying the same things. I can't say (and doubt) he is saying things in bad faith. I think it's likelier that he sees this crap being mainstreamed in the media ("the media") and thinks it is underrepresented in the discourse here.

I cited Bloomberg, Taibbi, the Nation, and Greenwald.

And this post right here is you lathering yourself in logical fallacies.

You’re becoming incoherent. Leave this to others.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You are absolutely fucking crazy. If they weren't trying to bury what is in Mueller's report, they would just release it to show just how little it contains. They will not because it contains a whole lot of shit about Trump (and his entire Administration) they don't want to get out. There is absolutely no getting around that.

TM

Did I say they’re not trying to hide and delay release of embarrassing information? No, I didn’t. I agree they are.

I said it’s highly unlikely they are hiding anything that would make Barr’s summary of Mueller’s report inconsistent with the material findings of Mueller. If you think Barr has said Trump did not collude or engage in obstruction and Mueller actually found he did one or both, you’re in Crazytown. Don’t go to Crazytown.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

My problem here is with the majority of the media’s rush to judgment.

I guess we fell into discussing whether there is any material evidence being withheld as part of the discussion of whether that majority of the media had good reason to prejudge.

I think they are absolutely trying to hide the full report because it contains embarrassing and damaging information about Trump and the administration. I want the entire report to come out, out of personal curiosity, if nothing else. And I think all of the report will eventually come out.

The friction in the discussion right now is in trying to determine how much of an Exoneration this report provides to Trump. It seems to me he can claim some measure of exoneration. I don’t know how much exactly. Similarly, the majority of the media deserves some level of opprobrium. How much? I’m not sure.

You’re right that we won’t know the exact answer to either question until the report is released.

"My problem is with the media's rush to judgment. We know the media rushed to judgment because Mueller sent a report that no one but Barr has seen yet."

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I cited Bloomberg, Taibbi, the Nation, and Greenwald.

I accused you of being obtuse, not plagiarism.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I accused you of being obtuse, not plagiarism.

Physician, heal thyself.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

It pains to agree with a Wachtell lawyer, but George Conway is dead on.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Did I say they’re not trying to hide and delay release of embarrassing information? No, I didn’t. I agree they are.

I said it’s highly unlikely they are hiding anything that would make Barr’s summary of Mueller’s report inconsistent with the material findings of Mueller. If you think Barr has said Trump did not collude or engage in obstruction and Mueller actually found he did one or both, you’re in Crazytown. Don’t go to Crazytown.

No. You are in Crazytown and you've built yourself quite the comfortable life there.

We already know he obstructed justice. He did it in the fucking open. He publicly stated that he fired Comey because of the investigation. He fired Sessions because he recused himself. He asked for his own guy to be put in place at the SDNY. I believe there is lots of evidence showing this in the report. I'd like to see it.

Barr auditioned for this job because he believes, fundafuckingmentally that the President cannot obstruct justice. Trump got the message loud and clear and installed him. And guess what? Barr has concluded Trump didn't obstruct justice. It's a complete joke.

It is so obvious that there is enough in that report--re collusion and obstruction--to impeach this asshole and charge him with obstruction (you know, if you believed that a sitting President could be guilty of obstruction) that the White House, Barr and the entire Republican Party do not want to be held accountable for not being involved in doing so.

Your rants about what the media (again, not a monolithic entity) "implied" by reporting on the actual comings and goings of this criminal fucking Administration are pure ether above the clouds. Maybe you can't separate the opinion pieces and talking heads from the actual reporting. But your ravings are meaningless, empty, bullshit because they are based on a bullshit memo written by a man whose reputation you think is something other than what it actually is about the report that we all absolutely need to see.

You are a sucker because you have swallowed the Republican strategy hook, line, and sinker.

TM

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Physician, heal thyself.

Ooooooh, TOTAL JESUS BURN!!!!!!!!

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

My problem here is with the majority of the media’s rush to judgment.

I guess we fell into discussing whether there is any material evidence being withheld as part of the discussion of whether that majority of the media had good reason to prejudge.

I think they are absolutely trying to hide the full report because it contains embarrassing and damaging information about Trump and the administration. I want the entire report to come out, out of personal curiosity, if nothing else. And I think all of the report will eventually come out.

The friction in the discussion right now is in trying to determine how much of an Exoneration this report provides to Trump. It seems to me he can claim some measure of exoneration. I don’t know how much exactly. Similarly, the majority of the media deserves some level of opprobrium. How much? I’m not sure.

You’re right that we won’t know the exact answer to either question until the report is released.

Wait, so your problem is with the media's rush to judgment so you are good with them rushing to judgment now, without seeing the report?

Do you need the name of a good psychiatrist?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Physician, heal thyself.

Well said you mentally ill juris doctor

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You are a sucker because you have swallowed the Republican strategy hook, line, and sinker.

TM

to be fair, he's been hanging out in Trump's waters looking for something shiny to swallow for a while.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Wait, so your problem is with the media's rush to judgment so you are good with them rushing to judgment now, without seeing the report?

Do you need the name of a good psychiatrist?

They aren’t rushing to judgment. Judgment has been entered. No collusion. Mueller’s finding, not Barr’s.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

to be fair, he's been hanging out in Trump's waters looking for something shiny to swallow for a while.

Left wing Zerohedge.