We are all Slave now. - Page 65

Adder · 05-24-2018, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

They went trawling for dirt and were happy to take it from Russians.

Sounds like you've not been keeping up with the news, dude.

LessinSF · 05-24-2018, 12:31 PM

I am in MPLS if anyone wants to meet for drinks. Text me at 415.990.3487

Tyrone Slothrop · 05-24-2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

That's laughably overwrought. They went trawling for dirt and were happy to take it from Russians.

Non-rhetorical questions: Why do you think that's all that happened? Among other things, it's pretty clear that it wasn't just Russians. And why don't you assume that there wasn't some quid pro quo?

Tyrone Slothrop · 05-24-2018, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Maybe my standard is a bit higher than yours, but this isn't looking like Watergate on Steroids.

Seriously, WTF are you talking about? By any objective measure, so far this is bigger than Watergate. Republicans stood by Nixon during Watergate, too. Until they didn't.

Tyrone Slothrop · 05-24-2018, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF

I am in MPLS if anyone wants to meet for drinks. Text me at 415.990.3487

Lunch from Señor Sisig when you're back? Slave can come too. And anyone else who wants in.

sebastian_dangerfield · 05-24-2018, 01:34 PM

Don’t know about the show, but this trailer is awesome: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uArRFr7_YY

sebastian_dangerfield · 05-24-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Non-rhetorical questions: Why do you think that's all that happened? Among other things, it's pretty clear that it wasn't just Russians. And why don't you assume that there wasn't some quid pro quo?

Because Russia is on a campaign to destabilize all Western govts by, among other things, fucking with elections.

Because I haven’t seen convincing evidence of a quid pro quo. It’s no crime or conspiracy to borrow from Russians.

sebastian_dangerfield · 05-24-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Seriously, WTF are you talking about? By any objective measure, so far this is bigger than Watergate. Republicans stood by Nixon during Watergate, too. Until they didn't.

Flynn’s the highest quality scalp they’ll get here.

sebastian_dangerfield · 05-24-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

Sounds like you've not been keeping up with the news, dude.

Saudis, UAE... So what. They give to and work behind scenes with everybody. He’ll probably have sketchy interactions with Israelis and Turks as well.

You talk about this like this admin is unique in having shady deals/discussions with these govts. It’s icky business. Ya think the Bushes were squeaky clean? The Clintons were certainly transactional.

Trump’s just dumb about it. And under more intense scrutiny.

Tyrone Slothrop · 05-24-2018, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Because Russia is on a campaign to destabilize all Western govts by, among other things, fucking with elections.

My point: It's pretty clear that it wasn't just Russia.

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Because I haven’t seen convincing evidence of a quid pro quo. It’s no crime or conspiracy to borrow from Russians.

Is smoke convincing evidence of a fire, or do you actually need to be burned by the fire to believe in it? I haven't seen "convincing evidence" of a quid pro quo either, nor would I expect to have. But I'm also not the one opining authoritatively that Mueller's investigation is overblown. Mueller isn't talking. All we know about what's got is from a few public actions and leaks from defense attorneys.

Oh, wait -- that understates things. You also have a President who is frantically trying to derail the investigation. Hard to imagine how Trump could act more guilty. And you have rampant corruption on the part of Trump and people up and down throughout his government and the Trump Organization. Smoke, but no fire.

Tyrone Slothrop · 05-24-2018, 02:03 PM

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Flynn’s the highest quality scalp they’ll get here.

Do prosecutors usually cut easy deals with the highest-quality scalps so they can shop downmarket? I. Don't. Think. So.

Tyrone Slothrop · 05-24-2018, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Saudis, UAE... So what. They give to and work behind scenes with everybody. He’ll probably have sketchy interactions with Israelis and Turks as well.

You talk about this like this admin is unique in having shady deals/discussions with these govts. It’s icky business. Ya think the Bushes were squeaky clean? The Clintons were certainly transactional.

Trump’s just dumb about it. And under more intense scrutiny.

Bush, Clinton, Trump -- all basically the same in terms of their corrupt dealings with foreign autocrats.

If you believe this, you're an idiot. But we all know you don't. If you were posting on a Trump board, you'd be telling them why he's f*cked.

Adder · 05-24-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

It’s no crime or conspiracy to borrow from Russians.

Except that there's no evidence that he borrowed. He just starting buying things - golf courses, etc - with cash.

Tyrone Slothrop · 05-24-2018, 02:22 PM

Dude has my proxy:

Adder · 05-24-2018, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Saudis, UAE... So what. They give to and work behind scenes with everybody. He’ll probably have sketchy interactions with Israelis and Turks as well.

You talk about this like this admin is unique in having shady deals/discussions with these govts. It’s icky business. Ya think the Bushes were squeaky clean? The Clintons were certainly transactional.

Trump’s just dumb about it. And under more intense scrutiny.

I do not believe that the Clintons or the Bushes sent their bag man to collect funds from around the world in exchange for access, no, much less, with respect to that Iran deal and our relationship with Qatar, appear to have changed policy because of it.