We are all Slave now.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I did, and I understand it. It differs from my definition.

You can vote Trump out. You can impeach him out. You can’t scream him out.

You can speak truth to power. But it rarely goes anywhere. Repeating yourself and becoming more and more incensed doesn’t work. It’s cathartic at best, and when it becomes extreme and repetitive, it’s shrill.

If you think shrill commentary gets out voters, then the ends here justify the means. But on it’s own, it’s just bleating.

I can’t find the quote, but Buckley once warned about wielding too hot a pen, as it desensitized even readers who agreed with you. Through history, shrill has rarely won. Except in 2016. Trump is the definition of shrill. Perhaps fighting fire with fire works. But I suspect a boots on the ground voter turnout is much better effort. And turning up the shrillness more is counterproductive, as it could depress turnout and enhance opposition turnout.

Previously you were saying that Trump's shrill critics were turning off swing voters. Now you're just saying that voicing criticism itself won't win the next election. OK. I'm with you there.

One thing that will make a difference is getting out the voters who vote for Democratics. That's what a lot of those critics are working towards. They're not focused on trying to change the minds of Gary Johnson voters.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

We’d have a real civil war. It’d be the end of the GOP forever.

Not even Trump does something that insane.

I think it’s best to do a grand bargain. Agree to drop Mueller probe in exchange for a moderate justice.

Everything in this post is fucking insane. I honestly think if I took you to the funny farm and said, "Commit him," and they asked me why, I could show them this post and you'd be in a straight jacket within the minute.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I think it’s best to do a grand bargain.

The grand bargain is, Trump gets the Presidency and movement conservatives get the courts.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The grand bargain is, Trump gets the Presidency and movement conservatives get the courts.

This is about the only scenario where the movement conservatives get anything at all. We certainly wouldn't in a Clinton administration.

I agree with the point I think Sebby is trying to make. Democrats and Progressives are flourishing in cities, particularly big ones and the coasts, and lots of people across the country dislike Trump, but the Dems are severely overplaying their hand and risk losing the few red state Ds that are left. It is just the constant over-reaction to every single thing that grows so tedious. Their current message may play well with the people they see around them every day, but they seem to be leaning towards nominating someone like Kamala Harris or Bernie, and while they may even win the popular vote again, I don't see the current message taking the Electoral College. And I don't think that the talk by a few of abolishing the Electoral College is helping the cause either. [ETA: I don't know how much traction this is really getting on the Dem side, but my unsolicited advice is that you should kill the abolish ICE talk if you want to win the presidency.]

A lot of people who don't care for Trump voted for him BECAUSE of SCOTUS. It was the overwhelming reason evangelicals fell in line. On the part of the Dems, it seems unfortunate that somebody nuked the judicial filibuster because elections have consequences or something.

I'm not a fan of the whole concept of "owning the libs" but today I am glad that Hillary isn't president. At least until we end up with Supreme Court Justice Jeanine Pirro.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

I'm not a fan of the whole concept of "owning the libs" but today I am glad that Hillary isn't president. At least until we end up with Supreme Court Justice Jeanine Pirro.

To me, Pirro might be a relief given some of the possibilities.

Congratulations!

We'll try to lighten up on the baby-incarceration stuff. You do realize about 5 people have said something about abolishing ICE?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

This is about the only scenario where the movement conservatives get anything at all. We certainly wouldn't in a Clinton administration.

You've already forgotten the tax cut and the ACA repeal votes, I see.

I agree with the point I think Sebby is trying to make. Democrats and Progressives are flourishing in cities, particularly big ones and the coasts, and lots of people across the country dislike Trump, but the Dems are severely overplaying their hand and risk losing the few red state Ds that are left. It is just the constant over-reaction to every single thing that grows so tedious. Their current message may play well with the people they see around them every day, but they seem to be leaning towards nominating someone like Kamala Harris or Bernie, and while they may even win the popular vote again, I don't see the current message taking the Electoral College. And I don't think that the talk by a few of abolishing the Electoral College is helping the cause either. [ETA: I don't know how much traction this is really getting on the Dem side, but my unsolicited advice is that you should kill the abolish ICE talk if you want to win the presidency.]

Yes, there are a lot of conservatives with helpful advice to Democrats about how they should stop complaining and act civil if they want to persuade anyone of anything.

A lot of people who don't care for Trump voted for him BECAUSE of SCOTUS. It was the overwhelming reason evangelicals fell in line. On the part of the Dems, it seems unfortunate that somebody nuked the judicial filibuster because elections have consequences or something.

Right, because we all know that Mitch McConnell would have sat idly by as Democratic Senators filibustered a Supreme Court nominee.

I'm not a fan of the whole concept of "owning the libs" but today I am glad that Hillary isn't president. At least until we end up with Supreme Court Justice Jeanine Pirro.

I really don't think Trump cares who is on the Supreme Court, and he knows that establishment Republicans do.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

To me, Pirro might be a relief given some of the possibilities.

Congratulations!

We'll try to lighten up on the baby-incarceration stuff. You do realize about 5 people have said something about abolishing ICE?

I specifically did say that I didn't know how seriously the ICE stuff was being considered. Glad to know it's a fringe effort, but each instance is getting blown up on the other side, and that's probably not a winning message, even for people who agree that children shouldn't be separated from their parents.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You've already forgotten the tax cut and the ACA repeal votes, I see.

The GOP congress failed miserably to repeal the ACA every time they tried (thanks, Rand Paul!) and I was not a fan of the tax cuts, since I prioritize cutting spending and reducing the debt, rather than increasing it, so SCOTUS is the *one* bright spot.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

I specifically did say that I didn't know how seriously the ICE stuff was being considered. Glad to know it's a fringe effort, but each instance is getting blown up on the other side, and that's probably not a winning message, even for people who agree that children shouldn't be separated from their parents.

I hate ICE. I don't like having my daughters' buses searched when they go to visit each other, I don't like having roadblocks on the roads around here, and I especially don't like the degree of racial profiling that is clearly occurring and is regularly focused on my clients and friends. The hostility has a distinct negative impact on my business. I would expect those who describe themselves as traditional conservatives or libertarians would object to such things as well, though they don't seem to.

But it's still a function we have to have, it would just be nice if it weren't a breeding ground for assholes.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

This is about the only scenario where the movement conservatives get anything at all. We certainly wouldn't in a Clinton administration.

I agree with the point I think Sebby is trying to make. Democrats and Progressives are flourishing in cities, particularly big ones and the coasts, and lots of people across the country dislike Trump, but the Dems are severely overplaying their hand and risk losing the few red state Ds that are left. It is just the constant over-reaction to every single thing that grows so tedious. Their current message may play well with the people they see around them every day, but they seem to be leaning towards nominating someone like Kamala Harris or Bernie, and while they may even win the popular vote again, I don't see the current message taking the Electoral College. And I don't think that the talk by a few of abolishing the Electoral College is helping the cause either. [ETA: I don't know how much traction this is really getting on the Dem side, but my unsolicited advice is that you should kill the abolish ICE talk if you want to win the presidency.]

A lot of people who don't care for Trump voted for him BECAUSE of SCOTUS. It was the overwhelming reason evangelicals fell in line. On the part of the Dems, it seems unfortunate that somebody nuked the judicial filibuster because elections have consequences or something.

I'm not a fan of the whole concept of "owning the libs" but today I am glad that Hillary isn't president. At least until we end up with Supreme Court Justice Jeanine Pirro.

Yes, yes, that Trump man can certainly be a bit of a boor, calling the Mexicans rapists and saying that the African countries are shitholes and separating those little children from their families and all that. Dreadful stuff, indeed. And I certainly don't support any of that tomfoolery, but if there is anything that is even worse than all of that, it is the horribly tedious complaining by the liberal elites about these sorts of things. If I have to listen to one more so-called progressive say that it is not o.k. to mock dying veterans, or children with Downs Syndrome, I swear on the bible that I might just nod off. That Sebastian fellow is spot on -- can we just talk about automation? I suppose the only answer is to vote for Trump again to teach those boring complainers to keep their mouths shut.

[Hank Chinaski]

Hi

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Previously you were saying that Trump's shrill critics were turning off swing voters. Now you're just saying that voicing criticism itself won't win the next election. OK. I'm with you there.

One thing that will make a difference is getting out the voters who vote for Democratics. That's what a lot of those critics are working towards. They're not focused on trying to change the minds of Gary Johnson voters.

Godwin Revisited: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...-charge-218932

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Yes, yes, that Trump man can certainly be a bit of a boor, calling the Mexicans rapists and saying that the African countries are shitholes and separating those little children from their families and all that. Dreadful stuff, indeed. And I certainly don't support any of that tomfoolery, but if there is anything that is even worse than all of that, it is the horribly tedious complaining by the liberal elites about these sorts of things. If I have to listen to one more so-called progressive say that it is not o.k. to mock dying veterans, or children with Downs Syndrome, I swear on the bible that I might just nod off. That Sebastian fellow is spot on -- can we just talk about automation? I suppose the only answer is to vote for Trump again to teach those boring complainers to keep their mouths shut.

Poor, poor Flower. People across the country representing the majority of the Electoral College just woke up with a smile and the thought: "How shall we own the libs today?"



BTW, nice effort, but the internal monologue is really more like this:

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Godwin Revisited: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...-charge-218932

So what do you think of the President having two rallies this week where he stood in front of crowds screaming "Lock Her Up"?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Yes, yes, that Trump man can certainly be a bit of a boor, calling the Mexicans rapists and saying that the African countries are shitholes and separating those little children from their families and all that. Dreadful stuff, indeed. And I certainly don't support any of that tomfoolery, but if there is anything that is even worse than all of that, it is the horribly tedious complaining by the liberal elites about these sorts of things. If I have to listen to one more so-called progressive say that it is not o.k. to mock dying veterans, or children with Downs Syndrome, I swear on the bible that I might just nod off. That Sebastian fellow is spot on -- can we just talk about automation? I suppose the only answer is to vote for Trump again to teach those boring complainers to keep their mouths shut.

OK, let's talk about automation. Do you think Sebby is a Russian Bot? He sure sounds like one a lot of the time.