We are all Slave now.

[Hank Chinaski]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBy8Q9Lx05Y

The Right embraces scientific research and complains about roadblocks to basic research to cure cancer (jump to 1:50 if you can't take it).

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Here's the ABA Journal. Any reporting on this is going to relate facts that come from Warren and Franke, or the Israeli government. You rejected anything that comes from CCR as biased,* but you still haven't answered my question from last night about how you could accept reporting based on what the Israeli government says, since it too is presumably biased, yes? Or are you using "bias" in the sense of "coming from someone with whose policy views I disagree"?

I want to hear why the government says it did what it did.

Example of why- USA 2018 "let's ban all muslims." Why? "Because too many are terrorist." Now we can reach an opinion of whether we support the ban or not. Contrast that with hypo US 1999 "let's ban M. Atta." Why? "Because he seems singularly dangerous, see X, Y, Z." Again we can support or not the decision.

As to why I dismiss something that devolves into hate against israel within its few paragraphs, you really don't understand?

But the ABA summary does show the failings of your earlier "news." Now most of the delegation got in, just the 2 were barred. Can you see how that might impact the story and why your earlier news might have mentioned it?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I want to hear why the government says it did what it did.

Sure, so do I.

Example of why- USA 2018 "let's ban all muslims." Why? "Because too many are terrorist." Now we can reach an opinion of whether we support the ban or not. Contrast that with hypo US 1999 "let's ban M. Atta." Why? "Because he seems singularly dangerous, see X, Y, Z." Again we can support or not the decision.

As to why I dismiss something that devolves into hate against israel within its few paragraphs, you really don't understand?

Where in the CCR press release or the ABA Journal do you see "hate against Israel"? I am opposed to hate against Israel. But those words seem to encompass stuff to you that they don't to me.

But the ABA summary does show the failings of your earlier "news." Now most of the delegation got in, just the 2 were barred. Can you see how that might impact the story and why your earlier news might have mentioned it?

It's an additional fact that adds color, but I'm not sure how it's material to the question of whether or not they should have let her in. How do you think it "impacts" the story? Seems like you are working hard to exculpate Israel's government on facts that are pretty damning.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Where in the CCR press release or the ABA Journal do you see "hate against Israel"? I am opposed to hate against Israel. But those words seem to encompass stuff to you that they don't to me.

Israel has a well-known history of denying human rights advocates and other possible critics of its policies entry to Israel, even if those individuals only seek to visit and meet with Palestinians—whose borders Israel fully controls.

Israel’s denial of entry to foreign citizens must be seen in the context of its ongoing efforts to repress human rights activism within Israel and Palestine, and its regular denial of entry to Palestinians, including U.S. citizens of Palestinian origin. It has been 70 years since the mass killing and eviction of Palestinians by the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, 50 years of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and 11 years of its punitive closure of Gaza, whose residents have been shot and killed in nonviolent protests in recent weeks. Meanwhile, Israel continues to expand its West Bank settlements, annex East Jerusalem, and increase attacks on human rights defenders and incarceration of political prisoners.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Israel has a well-known history of denying human rights advocates and other possible critics of its policies entry to Israel, even if those individuals only seek to visit and meet with Palestinians—whose borders Israel fully controls.

Israel’s denial of entry to foreign citizens must be seen in the context of its ongoing efforts to repress human rights activism within Israel and Palestine, and its regular denial of entry to Palestinians, including U.S. citizens of Palestinian origin. It has been 70 years since the mass killing and eviction of Palestinians by the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, 50 years of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and 11 years of its punitive closure of Gaza, whose residents have been shot and killed in nonviolent protests in recent weeks. Meanwhile, Israel continues to expand its West Bank settlements, annex East Jerusalem, and increase attacks on human rights defenders and incarceration of political prisoners.

Do you think any of those facts are incorrect? If not, is it possible to note those facts in some way those doesn't constitute "hate" in your book? To me, it sounds like you are delegitimizing real concerns about Israel's conduct by labeling it as "hate."

eta: Some of us think the fact that Israel does these things is a problem. You seem to think that the problem is pointing it out.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Do you think any of those facts are incorrect? If not, is it possible to note those facts in some way those doesn't constitute "hate" in your book? To me, it sounds like you are delegitimizing real concerns about Israel's conduct by labeling it as "hate."

eta: Some of us think the fact that Israel does these things is a problem. You seem to think that the problem is pointing it out.

You and i both read Karl Rove's blog advice. Only one of us uses the lessons against others on a board where you are conversing with "friends."

"It has been 70 years since the mass killing and eviction of Palestinians by the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, "

this is hate against the fact of Israel. If you see it otherwise, god bless.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

But the ABA summary does show the failings of your earlier "news." Now most of the delegation got in, just the 2 were barred. Can you see how that might impact the story and why your earlier news might have mentioned it?

The CCR news release said that.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

You and i both read Karl Rove's blog advice. Only one of us uses the lessons against others on a board where you are conversing with "friends."

"It has been 70 years since the mass killing and eviction of Palestinians by the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, "

this is hate against the fact of Israel. If you see it otherwise, god bless.

Bullshit. The founding of the state of Israel involved mass killings and evictions of Palestinians. Those are the unhappy facts. You can point it out without hating Israel, just as you can point out that Germany murdered millions of people in the Holocaust without hating Germany, or that the United States murdered lots of Indians and stole their land without hating the USA. One can believe that Israel is a good thing and simultaneously want it to be better, but you call that hate.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Bullshit. The founding of the state of Israel involved mass killings and evictions of Palestinians. Those are the unhappy facts. You can point it out without hating Israel, just as you can point out that Germany murdered millions of people in the Holocaust without hating Germany, or that the United States murdered lots of Indians and stole their land without hating the USA. One can believe that Israel is a good thing and simultaneously want it to be better, but you call that hate.

Thanks. This clarifies it clearly. Now I get it.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Israel has a well-known history of denying human rights advocates and other possible critics of its policies entry to Israel, even if those individuals only seek to visit and meet with Palestinians—whose borders Israel fully controls.

Israel’s denial of entry to foreign citizens must be seen in the context of its ongoing efforts to repress human rights activism within Israel and Palestine, and its regular denial of entry to Palestinians, including U.S. citizens of Palestinian origin. It has been 70 years since the mass killing and eviction of Palestinians by the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, 50 years of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and 11 years of its punitive closure of Gaza, whose residents have been shot and killed in nonviolent protests in recent weeks. Meanwhile, Israel continues to expand its West Bank settlements, annex East Jerusalem, and increase attacks on human rights defenders and incarceration of political prisoners.

The thing about the whole conflict is, those facts are all generally accurate as they stand, but woefully incomplete and set out in a very loaded way.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Thanks. This clarifies it clearly. Now I get it.

You're welcome.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

The thing about the whole conflict is, those facts are all generally accurate as they stand, but woefully incomplete and set out in a very loaded way.

Indeed.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Thanks. This clarifies it clearly. Now I get it.

I’ve been trying to come up with a “he went to Jared” joke, but I have to admit that I am stumped.

Anyhoo, relevant to Nob Bob’s interests.

Fine. I was just looking for an excuse to post this.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

I’ve been trying to come up with a “he went to Jared” joke, but I have to admit that I am stumped.

Anyhoo, relevant to Nob Bob’s interests.

Fine. I was just looking for an excuse to post this.

Well, this is depressing. I haven’t posted since January, and my first post gets ignored and my second post breaks the board.

Gwink, I was very sad to see the Leafs fall to Brad “Weasel” Marchand in 7.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

Well, this is depressing. I haven’t posted since January, and my first post gets ignored and my second post breaks the board.

Gwink, I was very sad to see the Leafs fall to Brad “Weasel” Marchand in 7.

I liked it. Who was it who didn't like her ankles?

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I liked it. Who was it who didn't like her ankles?

Probably Slave. I still love Ashley, but he may have been right about Charlize.