Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Choosing what bigly bad to apply to different intentional murders is always a tough undertaking. There is also something heroic about standing up to these assholes, isn't there?

Certainly, just musing about levels of evil.

[soup sandwich]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Well, Trump is pretty fucking sexist, and I'd like to say the women I am closest to find him deplorable. My wife/daughter and DIL HATE him, but my sister and two 20 somethings nieces voted for him. Crazy. But point is there was certainly some pretty blatant sexism floating around.

Protip: Don't ever write "wife/daughter".

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Did even face fuck say the car guy was not bad?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d0d2cc83ff58 another fall out of the violence. This guy is 1) a star of The Parking Lot movie, about a bunch of very eccentric people working at a central UVA parking lot, and their battles with entitled yuppies (hi Ty!). 2) a good friend of a former sock here.

FWIW the car guy hit people who knew they were in a potential war zone fighting with lunatics. A terrorist, sure, but driving a van into people who were just going about their day is more like the kid who killed the people at the black church, isn't it? More bigly bad?

As a pattern, Trump doesn't call out right-wing terrorism. I don't think he really believes that it's not bad, although I'm not sure that he has much sense of morality that goes beyond what is good or bad for him.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by soup sandwich

Protip: Don't ever write "wife/daughter".

Wow, hateful. The wife passed a few years back and the kid turned 27. How you gonna get the health care? (separate bedrooms btw)

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

As a pattern, Trump doesn't call out right-wing terrorism. I don't think he really believes that it's not bad, although I'm not sure that he has much sense of morality that goes beyond what is good or bad for him.

Sure, not defending him at all, but to me terrorism, at it's core is fucking with people's belief in their safety during a normal moment. The van today, that was terrorism, the car was fucked up, but under that definition it is something else, the protesters knew they might be in harm's way.

Nazi Germany wasn't "terrorism" it was a country killing millions. And I don't know, I'm a dim bulb, and definitions don't mean much to me, and my fam is Jewie, I ain't immune to the Charlotteville hate, but the two seem different, not in degree of evil, but in spreading fear to peeps generally?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Certainly, just musing about levels of evil.

I didn't say it wasn't possible, Dante wrote a pretty good poem about it, just an exercise fraught with some peril.

Where did Club go?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Sure, not defending him at all, but to me terrorism, at it's core is fucking with people's belief in their safety during a normal moment. The van today, that was terrorism, the car was fucked up, but under that definition it is something else, the protesters knew they might be in harm's way.

I disagree with your definition. I would call it non-state-sponsored political violence. If the 9/11 hijackers had issued a threat to bomb the WTC, it would still have been terrorism.

Nazi Germany wasn't "terrorism" it was a country killing millions. And I don't know, I'm a dim bulb, and definitions don't mean much to me, and my fam is Jewie, I ain't immune to the Charlotteville hate, but the two seem different, not in degree of evil, but in spreading fear to peeps generally?

Sure. In one case, part of the intent might be to tell people that if they protest they won't be safe. In the other case, part of the intent might be to tell people that they're never safe. Each is evil in its own way.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by soup sandwich

Protip: Don't ever write "wife/daughter".

Is sister/aunt ok?

[soup sandwich]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Is sister/aunt ok?

That's hot.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Dude, I am highly sympathetic with your overall point of view here, and yet I would rather have dental surgery than engage with the rest of a post that starts like this.

ery.

Whatever. Expressing the opinion that reforming a criminal justice system built explicitly to be racist will be easier than people learning to accept their friends, neighbors, coworkers & children suggests that one has not grappled with the nature of the racism that pervades criminal justice.

And that one does not understand what happened with gay rights, for that matter.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by soup sandwich

That's hot.

What about brother/aunt?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

Whatever. Expressing the opinion that reforming a criminal justice system built explicitly to be racist will be easier than people learning to accept their friends, neighbors, coworkers & children suggests that one has not grappled with the nature of the racism that pervades criminal justice.

And that one does not understand what happened with gay rights, for that matter.

If you're working towards a rhetorical strategy to bring him around, you haven't quite found it yet.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Long, but worth every syllable. And it gets better as it reaches the end.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...s-mind/534231/

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Whatever. Expressing the opinion that reforming a criminal justice system built explicitly to be racist will be easier than people learning to accept their friends, neighbors, coworkers & children suggests that one has not grappled with the nature of the racism that pervades criminal justice.

And that one does not understand what happened with gay rights, for that matter.

You understand nothing. You think you do. And the echo chambers in which you mastrubate left wing platitudes back and forth with fellow clueless travelers reinforce you in that delusion.

But it's still delusion, and you're a kid in short pants when it comes to thinking on these issues.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You understand nothing. You think you do. And the echo chambers in which you mastrubate left wing platitudes back and forth with fellow clueless travelers reinforce you in that delusion.

But it's still delusion, and you're a kid in short pants when it comes to thinking on these issues.

I'm not seeing much difference in the empirical reality that both of you perceive. Sebby feels that it's counterproductive to emphasize the degree to which many people act out of prejudice and bigotry, and Adder feels that it's counterproductive to understate it. Both of you would like to pretend that the other is saying something extreme, rather than assuming the other has good motivations and might have a point.