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Old 10-18-2018, 02:01 PM   #3601
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Re: We are all Slave now.

Flight attendant this AM dishing on having the Trump sons on a recent flight- “ they were PIGS left newspapers piled all around.” I call bullshit. Trumps read?
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Old Yesterday, 08:46 AM   #3602
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Re: Khashoggi

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If we were going to go this route, and internally decide that we don't have any concerns about morality, and only care about strategic and economic concerns, then it seems like the way to do that would be to pretend that we DO care deeply about these sorts of atrocities, and use the threat of sanctions or whatever that this fake moral high ground provides us, to extract diplomatic and/or economic concession from the Saudis. Instead, the crown prince sends a hit team to cut off the fingers, and then the head, of a troublesome journalist critic, the fucking Turks have it ON TAPE, and Mike Pompeo flies overseas to sit around giggling like a school child with his Saudi buddies, and then returns and basically tells everyone to look away as there is nothing to see here. Putting aside the complete absence of horror and outrage that this will inspire among Trump supporters on moral grounds, from a strategic and diplomatic standpoint, Trump is emasculating us (probably in order to protect his personal financial interests). But the Trump support base will be unaffected because THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO that will get them to actually try to think about these issues critically, even if they were capable of doing so, and the bottom line is they don't really care. And even the folks like the so-called Never Trump conservatives, who pretend to have a moral compass when convenient, will offer some tepid criticism to show that they are really against the gruesome torture and decapitation of political critics, and then will go back to blaming liberal whining for any problems our country is facing.
This does not apply if one of your deeply hidden and unspoken policy aims is to normalize and enshrine “the only rule is power” as an international foreign policy baseline.

I think a lot of nationalists and would be fascists in DC are appalled by the extent of what MbS did, but secretly applaud such a brazen act. They like the idea of being able to take the gloves off with critics. They’d like to jail and sue the media rather than kill them, but those are just different points on the same continuum of thought.
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Old Yesterday, 10:07 AM   #3603
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Jesus.
Reports state Khashoggi was injected with a drug before being killed, or perhaps killed with a drug. The former seems more likely. The Saudis sedate prisoners to be executed before beheading. If this was done to Khashoggi, and he was then killed by decapitation, this may have been meant to convey a message, to hold the imprimatur of a truly official execution.
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Reports state Khashoggi was injected with a drug before being killed, or perhaps killed with a drug. The former seems more likely. The Saudis sedate prisoners to be executed before beheading. If this was done to Khashoggi, and he was then killed by decapitation, this may have been meant to convey a message, to hold the imprimatur of a truly official execution.
I understand that everyone is all upset about this guy getting killed and all the lying about it and everything, but could we all just stop for a moment to remember that time that President Obama wore a tan suit? That was really awful.
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I understand that everyone is all upset about this guy getting killed and all the lying about it and everything, but could we all just stop for a moment to remember that time that President Obama wore a tan suit? That was really awful.
There’s a double standard. There has always been a double standard. We need to get over it.

By the way, I saw this photo and can not determine who this is. I’m pretty sure that it’s a younger* Tatum O’Neal (and a really big dog) but am too lazy to really look. Bueller? Anyone?lw



*Not this young, which relates to the re line how?

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There’s a double standard. There has always been a double standard. We need to get over it.
Double standard? There's no standard at all. Cf.:

Willard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.
Kurtz: Are my methods unsound?
Willard: I don't see any method at all, sir.

Speaking of double standards, Why Are The Proud Boys So Obsessed With Not Masturbating?
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I understand that everyone is all upset about this guy getting killed and all the lying about it and everything, but could we all just stop for a moment to remember that time that President Obama wore a tan suit? That was really awful.
What do you think - will Trump give Gianforte a bone saw for Christmas?
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What do you think - will Trump give Gianforte a bone saw for Christmas?
Trump doesn’t “give.” He might loan with an expectation of result.
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