We are all Slave now.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

What's toxic femininity's definition?

Golden opportunity to write a book and be the first Chair in the Department of Men's Studies (sadly, it will have to be at Liberty).

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

What's toxic femininity's definition?

You're like a high school sophomore who's just now learning about life beyond your house's four exterior walls.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You're like a high school sophomore who's just now learning about life beyond your house's four exterior walls.

TM

Whiff.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Whiff.

I'd admit to be being got, but no Whiff Court would convict me given your board work-product today.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You absolutely cannot be this dense and literal.

Contributing to a culture in which sexual assault is laughed off, excused, or (as in RT's example) leads to punishing the fucking victim is part and parcel of what we're talking about when accusers are grilled about their sexual past, what they were wearing, how flirty they were. It's the culture that allows a Brock Turner to act contrite in front of a judge and get a minimum sentence for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman in public. It's about "boys will be boys" and "It's just horseplay," and "He does that because he likes you." It's the culture in which we laugh about prison rape or accept it as part of someone's sentence. It's about conditioning girls to be constantly aware of what they're wearing, how they're acting, where they are, how much they drink, what they say, how they act. It's about conditioning boys to not worry about any of that shit, even when it involves harmful, awful behavior. It's about shifting focus away from the accused and putting it on the accuser. All of that shit contributes to an atmosphere--a culture in which rape is more of a danger than it should be. It's about developing a culture in which a senator can scream at the top of his lungs about how a guy who has been accused of multiple assaults is having his life ruined by those he allegedly victimized right before he puts him on the highest court in the land. Rape culture. And it's a broad term for a reason. If you can't understand the term beyond the most literal reading of the term imaginable, you're being intentionally ridiculous, because you're not that stupid.

Nah. You're the one who's losing respect.

TM

So it's "culture." Because that's so broad, it could be all of culture.

Losing respect here doesn't count.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

So it's "culture." Because that's so broad, it could be all of culture.

No. It couldn't. No matter how hard you try, it relates specifically to the shit that is encompassed in the definition of the term.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Losing respect here doesn't count.

Clearly.

[Also, this must be the new board motto.]

TM

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

So it's "culture." Because that's so broad, it could be all of culture.

Losing respect here doesn't count.

It’s like trying to explain the concept of drowning to a whale. Sure, they understand that mammals can die from it, but the idea that the ocean that makes them such a success is responsible for the deaths of other mammals is crazy talk.

If you get a thoughtful whale, he might even agree that he could drown, too, but that would not be the norm, and therefore not really worth discussing.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Why must I have to stand for something here?

It's National Jeff Flake Day.

eta: As Hamilton says (to Burr) in the eponymous musical, if you won't stand for anything, what will you fall for?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

What's toxic femininity's definition?

How did we suddenly shift to Toxic Shock Syndrome from Rape Culture?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It's National Jeff Flake Day.

eta: As Hamilton says (to Burr) in the eponymous musical, if you won't stand for anything, what will you fall for?

Jesus fucking Christ this is hard to follow.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Jesus fucking Christ this is hard to follow.

Um, this thing isn't over. Do a search for Jeff Flake on google right now.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Um, this thing isn't over. Do a search for Jeff Flake on google right now.

I know. I'm watching on various streams. I don't think most members of the committee know what's going on.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Jesus fucking Christ this is hard to follow.

So, it's moved out of committee and on to the floor, but if McConnell pushes for a vote before/unless the FBI has a week to investigate, Flake (and presumably Collins and Murkowski) will vote no (based on a gentlemen's and lady's agreement)?

Where does that leave us? If the White House says, "Fuck off," will Flake cave? That seems the likeliest outcome. They'll just buy one of those senators with a bullshit promise of some pork that they won't follow up on and have Pence break the tie, no?

TM

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

How did we suddenly shift to Toxic Shock Syndrome from Rape Culture?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what’s still around.*

So I finally started watching The Wire. Fucking amazing. Spoiler alert:










I can’t believe those bastards killed Vince from Friday Night Lights.

*Yes, it’s a different song. Bite me.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I know. I'm watching on various streams. I don't think most members of the committee know what's going on.

I amend. It's Kabuki. Flake and Murkowski have cut a deal to conduct a "limited" one week investigation. This is to provide cover, most particularly for Collins, Murkowski, Manchin, and Heidtkamp.

Ball is now in Trump's court. Follow Flake's shrewd and self-protective lead, or demand vote now and see if Flake will cave?