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Old 12-09-2019, 12:25 PM   #4726
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Re: More Sebby bullshit

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Nope. But we've hosted parties for both NBC and Fox--last week on the same night!

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Old 12-09-2019, 04:02 PM   #4727
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Impeachment Hearing

I know we're all drowning in political bullshit. But the Republicans' collective performance in this hearing is absolutely disgraceful. The lies, obfuscation, pushing of conspiracy theories, [not-so-]blind loyalty to Trump and this Administration is a true fucking embarrassment.

This country is over.

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I know we're all drowning in political bullshit. But the Republicans' collective performance in this hearing is absolutely disgraceful. The lies, obfuscation, pushing of conspiracy theories, [not-so-]blind loyalty to Trump and this Administration is a true fucking embarrassment.

This country is over.

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Not that Fox? I think Fox Sport is on the corner?
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US Govt, right back at you: “You think you’ve seen the worst? Hold our beers...” https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...evening&wpmm=1
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I just want to know: does the Elgin have an Aviation Gin cocktail yet?
It should.

It’s a tasty gin. It could have more flavor, but it’s incredibly smooth.
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I know we're all drowning in political bullshit. But the Republicans' collective performance in this hearing is absolutely disgraceful. The lies, obfuscation, pushing of conspiracy theories, [not-so-]blind loyalty to Trump and this Administration is a true fucking embarrassment.

This country is over.

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Agreed. The government has been debased in a way unparalleled since McCarthyism. On the bright side, the Wagyu burger I had at the Elgin reminds me that good still exists in the universe, even when the rest of my family persists in veganism.
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:51 AM   #4733
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US Govt, right back at you: “You think you’ve seen the worst? Hold our beers...” https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...evening&wpmm=1
Andrew Exum was interesting on this. He thinks the DC DOD crowd was pretty uniformly consistent in questioning the war and thinking it was just a damn bad idea. But the field commanders were uniformly consistent in being more optimistic. And the Presidents kept siding with the people in the field.
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Not that Fox? I think Fox Sport is on the corner?
The Fox Death Star sits on the corner.

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Old 12-11-2019, 02:38 PM   #4736
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Where Was Air Force One Addressed in McCain Feingold?

Trump got in trouble because he used his office, and taxpayer money, for political gain. Any senator or congressman would be in similar trouble for doing the same. Look at Christie in NJ, for example.

But Presidents are allowed to use Air Force One to travel to political events? How is the use of AFO for political travel not an abuse of power?

For as long as I can recall, I'd hear news stories starting with, "President Reagan traveled to Ohio today to support so and so..." or "President Clinton was in Los Angeles to meet with donors at..." They've all done it. They do it all the time.

I guess the argument is, "How else would the President travel? He has to use AFO."

Okay, well if that's the case, then shouldn't his party reimburse taxpayers for his use of the jet for party political events? Or maybe he shouldn't be allowed to simply use the jet because he feels like it? How much have we spent on Trump's trips to Mar a Lago?

I understand that it's difficult to separate the political from the official, and using one's resources for political ends (holding press conferences or taking foreign trips for political gain, starting investigations for political purposes, siccing agencies on political opponents, etc.) has been common forever. But this is openly using a plane that costs a fortune per hour to operate for political purposes. Openly. Presidents will talk to the press on the tarmac about how they're going to get in the plane, with a cadre of expensive Secret Service people, and fly to some location to support a political ally at some rally or other event. They nakedly admit using it to travel to fundraisers.

How is this not an unlawful use of govt money for political purposes?
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Re: Where Was Air Force One Addressed in McCain Feingold?

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Okay, well if that's the case, then shouldn't his party reimburse taxpayers for his use of the jet for party political events?
I'm pretty sure that's what happens for campaign and non-official events.

ETA: Or I guess the reimburse for the cost of an equivalent charter flight, which of course is way less than actual cost: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/3405405002/

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How much have we spent on Trump's trips to Mar a Lago?
$124 million, I think, is the last number I heard. I don't think they reimburse for presidential R&R.

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Re: Where Was Air Force One Addressed in McCain Feingold?

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Trump got in trouble because he used his office, and taxpayer money, for political gain. Any senator or congressman would be in similar trouble for doing the same. Look at Christie in NJ, for example.

But Presidents are allowed to use Air Force One to travel to political events? How is the use of AFO for political travel not an abuse of power?

For as long as I can recall, I'd hear news stories starting with, "President Reagan traveled to Ohio today to support so and so..." or "President Clinton was in Los Angeles to meet with donors at..." They've all done it. They do it all the time.

I guess the argument is, "How else would the President travel? He has to use AFO."

Okay, well if that's the case, then shouldn't his party reimburse taxpayers for his use of the jet for party political events? Or maybe he shouldn't be allowed to simply use the jet because he feels like it? How much have we spent on Trump's trips to Mar a Lago?

I understand that it's difficult to separate the political from the official, and using one's resources for political ends (holding press conferences or taking foreign trips for political gain, starting investigations for political purposes, siccing agencies on political opponents, etc.) has been common forever. But this is openly using a plane that costs a fortune per hour to operate for political purposes. Openly. Presidents will talk to the press on the tarmac about how they're going to get in the plane, with a cadre of expensive Secret Service people, and fly to some location to support a political ally at some rally or other event. They nakedly admit using it to travel to fundraisers.

How is this not an unlawful use of govt money for political purposes?
There is apparently some ambiguous reimbursement process, and some lack of clarity that encourages name-calling and accusations:

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ticizing-obama
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I'm pretty sure that's what happens for campaign and non-official events.

ETA: Or I guess the reimburse for the cost of an equivalent charter flight, which of course is way less than actual cost: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/3405405002/

$124 million, I think, is the last number I heard. I don't think they reimburse for presidential R&R.
I read the link. I love how the Administration gets to decide what's political and what's official.
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Biden

I know that we're far off from the election and Biden steps on his dick and Warren/Bernie/Mayor Pete are surging in this or that state's polls, but can one of you tell me again why Biden's numbers are still so strong? Because none of you have convinced me he won't win by the biggest margin (exactly for the reasons I've stated here numerous times).

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Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden are running neck-and-neck in the Lone Star State, with Trump narrowly leading by a 48-47 margin in a new CNN poll released Wednesday.

He has more sizable leads against Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), 51-44, and against Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D), 50-43.

However, the single-digit leads could be cause for concern for the Trump campaign in the reliably red state. Trump won Texas by 9 points in 2016 over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, the worst showing there for a Republican presidential candidate in 20 years, and Democrats are eager to try to flip the state’s electoral votes next year.
Let me guess. Poll is flawed somehow?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...tLcCCsYK_D5ZGs

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