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08-10-2017, 05:05 PM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
No, it's a stupid semantic argument. Whether or not you had an "obligation," whatever you mean by that, you made a choice about how to vote and you didn't vote for her. No one was talking about obligations and duties; they have been talking about the choice you made, and how it looks more and more misguided every day.
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Somewhere, William Safire is crying.
Look, you can't say I stole jack shit from anyone unless I took something they had. She didn't have my vote. Nor did Trump. And I'm tired of hearing from my friends on the Left and the Right that I stole something from them. (Yes, Trump nuts pull a reverse classist argument out of their asses when I tell them I could not vote for their guy. "Oh. too good for us. But you mind mind the tax increase avoidance us Trump voters gave you!")
You can disagree with my decision all you like, but telling me I stole something assumes a right to my vote. That's seriously offensive.
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08-10-2017, 05:08 PM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Somewhere, William Safire is crying.
Look, you can't say I stole jack shit from anyone unless I took something they had. She didn't have my vote. Nor did Trump. And I'm tired of hearing from my friends on the Left and the Right that I stole something from them. (Yes, Trump nuts pull a reverse classist argument out of their asses when I tell them I could not vote for their guy. "Oh. too good for us. But you mind mind the tax increase avoidance us Trump voters gave you!")
You can disagree with my decision all you like, but telling me I stole something assumes a right to my vote. That's seriously offensive.
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ncs posted about how you voted (she used the word "voting," which is accurate), and I called it a choice. You're the one who keeps reframing it here -- an obligation, or stealing. If you have a beef with someone calling your vote those things, don't call your vote those things.
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的t was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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08-10-2017, 10:07 PM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Adder
You assumed it. You. Are you a coal miner in WV?
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Now that's highly unlikely. There are almost no coal miners left in WV.
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08-10-2017, 10:10 PM
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#1549
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I've a pretty think skin...
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Finally we see the issue.
That's not the right body part to use for that function.
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08-10-2017, 10:13 PM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Somewhere, William Safire is crying.
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I knew William Safire. William Safire's kid was a friend of a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no William Safire.
Really? Steal? The charge is you're a feckless moron who put yourself and us in danger with your feckless moronity. William Safire would agree, no matter how much linguistic gaslighting with which you try to engage in gymnastics.
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08-10-2017, 10:28 PM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I knew William Safire. William Safire's kid was a friend of a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no William Safire.
Really? Steal? The charge is you're a feckless moron who put yourself and us in danger with your feckless moronity. William Safire would agree, no matter how much linguistic gaslighting with which you try to engage in gymnastics.
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I've had drinks with the man.* Same event I had them with many Rs I'm sure you detest. The place was like a powerful R insider orgy. I was a tag along, friend of friend invite.
Let's not do the Rolodex thing. I'm sure there are folks here who can go way deeper than us. (Alternatively, we're both losers posting on a lawyers' chat board. So really... Whoever we know, who gives a fuck?)
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* He might not have been. I didn't test his glass. In either case, I was more than bringing up my side of that social obligation.
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08-10-2017, 10:37 PM
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#1552
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
ncs posted about how you voted (she used the word "voting," which is accurate), and I called it a choice. You're the one who keeps reframing it here -- an obligation, or stealing. If you have a beef with someone calling your vote those things, don't call your vote those things.
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Who's making the semantic argument now?
You're correct. I used the term first. But NB bit on it, and so the debate went... And let's put your parsing aside for a moment. You know damn well, as Hank stated, the argument is and has been, folks like me cost Hillary the election. Call it theft, choice, whatever you like... Depending on who you are, the argument is somewhere on a continuum between:
I didn't do what I should have done, and
I didn't give a candidate a vote to which she was entitled.
NB at least had the balls to tell me what I suspect many think: I shirked an obligation. I don't agree. But I credit his overtness.
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08-10-2017, 10:51 PM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Adder
You told us that some things would be better under Trump, specifically saying that a little protectionism would be good (and help defend against the automation boogie man).
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I explained why the opioid demographic voted for Trump, and why he might buy them a bit of time.
Bank regs will be better under Trump.
Market's up. Clearly I'm not alone in seeing some silver linings.
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08-11-2017, 10:18 AM
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I am beyond a rank!
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Market's up. Clearly I'm not alone in seeing some silver linings.
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Exquisite timing.
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08-11-2017, 11:37 AM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Who's making the semantic argument now?
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You are having it with yourself.
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08-11-2017, 11:47 AM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I've had drinks with the man.*
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* He might not have been. I didn't test his glass. In either case, I was more than bringing up my side of that social obligation.
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Sad.
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08-11-2017, 12:18 PM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Sad.
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Regardless of guest list, a party is to be enjoyed, not voyeured.
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08-11-2017, 12:19 PM
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Adder
Exquisite timing.
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Depends on your timeline.
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08-11-2017, 12:27 PM
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I知 a Google Manufacturing Robot and I Believe Humans Are Biologically Unfit...
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08-11-2017, 01:17 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: I知 a Google Manufacturing Robot and I Believe Humans Are Biologically Unfit...
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
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I thought this one was well done:
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...biology-sexism
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