Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[SlaveNoMore]

Speaking of GA History, we had a long history of song parodies. My personal best effort by far was "Protect Ya' Check" by the GA Tang Clan (with Thurgreed as Method. Chef was ODB (lol). My lines were Genius. I think Multo was Raekwon, but I cant recall).

The best, all time, was a 3 page parody of the "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" by, I think, Consigliere Wartime, but someone correct me on this. And I think that was lost to the Yahoo-Infirm merger.

Regardless, here's my new entry, set to the sounds of the late Chris Cornell and Soundgarden:

[And fuck Northam]
___

Put the infant in the pan
[Kill the infant while you can]
Coonman

Keep the infant comfortable
[Resuscitate if Press should call]
Coonman

Coonman, take a picture with the Klan
Save me, I'm defending PP's plan
Save me, yeah
Save, oh

Well, all my friends are Democrats
[All my friends wear Hoods and Masks]
Coonman

All my friends are bailing fast.
[I'll do the Moonwalk if they ask!]
Coonman

Sn(Northam needs to go, 'Nuff said)M

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore

Sn(Northam needs to go, 'Nuff said)M

This might come of as legitimate if you had ever, once, said the same about anyone in your racist-filled party. Ever. FOH.

TM

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

long, boring ass quote with "masses give free reign"

No spelling/grammar error irks me more these days than the confusion of "rein" with "reign". For fuck's sake people. We're all doomed to fire and flood but let's at least go down with some dignity.

Hi all. Hank, you can get regular kettle cooked potato chips in Canada. Zip across the border to a Loblaws and get yourself some President's Choice Original Flavour.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

No spelling/grammar error irks me more these days than the confusion of "rein" with "reign". For fuck's sake people. We're all doomed to fire and flood but let's at least go down with some dignity.

Hi all. Hank, you can get regular kettle cooked potato chips in Canada. Zip across the border to a Loblaws and get yourself some President's Choice Original Flavour.

How timely. I will be in Vancouver, Jasper, Banff and Calgary next week. I can look for all the colours and flavours I can find at the theatre organisation and by by cheque, eh?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

No spelling/grammar error irks me more these days than the confusion of "rein" with "reign". For fuck's sake people. We're all doomed to fire and flood but let's at least go down with some dignity.

Hi all. Hank, you can get regular kettle cooked potato chips in Canada. Zip across the border to a Loblaws and get yourself some President's Choice Original Flavour.

In fairness to Harari, I pulled that from a review of the book. His original text may not contain the error.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

How timely. I will be in Vancouver, Jasper, Banff and Calgary next week. I can look for all the colours and flavours I can find at the theatre organisation and by by cheque, eh?

Sweet trip! Have fun and #dontdrivehigh #neconduitpasgele

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore

Speaking of GA History, we had a long history of song parodies. My personal best effort by far was "Protect Ya' Check" by the GA Tang Clan (with Thurgreed as Method. Chef was ODB (lol). My lines were Genius. I think Multo was Raekwon, but I cant recall).

The best, all time, was a 3 page parody of the "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" by, I think, Consigliere Wartime, but someone correct me on this. And I think that was lost to the Yahoo-Infirm merger.

Regardless, here's my new entry, set to the sounds of the late Chris Cornell and Soundgarden:

[And fuck Northam]
___

Put the infant in the pan
[Kill the infant while you can]
Coonman

Keep the infant comfortable
[Resuscitate if Press should call]
Coonman

Coonman, take a picture with the Klan
Save me, I'm defending PP's plan
Save me, yeah
Save, oh

Well, all my friends are Democrats
[All my friends wear Hoods and Masks]
Coonman

All my friends are bailing fast.
[I'll do the Moonwalk if they ask!]
Coonman

Sn(Northam needs to go, 'Nuff said)M

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-virginia.html

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

This might come of as legitimate if you had ever, once, said the same about anyone in your racist-filled party. Ever. FOH.

TM

He hated Trump, and Trump is the GOP.

I get your point, but he kinda has a defense there (said with Larry David inflection).

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

He hated Trump, and Trump is the GOP.

Are you talking about Slave? Because if you are, you are sorely mistaken.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Are you talking about Slave? Because if you are, you are sorely mistaken.

TM

I won’t claim the most solid memory, but I seem to recall he was anti-Trump. I don’t remember him being SEC’s variant of NeverTrumper, but he was solidly against Trump in GOP primaries.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I won’t claim the most solid memory, but I seem to recall he was anti-Trump. I don’t remember him being SEC’s variant of NeverTrumper, but he was solidly against Trump in GOP primaries.

I've talked to him a ton about Trump (early after he was sworn in). He's a Trump guy. Don't know when it happened, but he's the walking personification of the entire Republican Party.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Serious Question:

What's the expiration date, or statute of limitations, for attacking a politician for an ancient sin?

Warren's 1986 bar card is now an issue? Is this what we're going to use to evaluate her today? Even if she was lying intentionally, does this eclipse all of her policies? Her ideas are now invalid because she lied about ancestry 33 years ago?

Northam's photos are appalling, and it's impossible to defend him based on lack of judgment alone (assuming he's not racist or has evolved considerably from what he was when he posed for those photos). But let's say he was a guy like Robert Byrd, who was in the KKK, and admitted it, but disavowed it later in life and pushed anti-racist policies while a legislator. If we could go back in time, should he (and Byrd) have been denied the ability to attain office for life?

Then you have this Fairfax incident. This is an old allegation, and so far as I see, the guy has no others lodged against him, and the timing suggests Northam is using it against him. Maybe it's not the best idea to elevate what appears to be a political hit-job to the level of probably-true-accusation?

I don't think a racist or sex predator deserves much of a second chance, as I don't believe people with those issues really "evolve" very much. But that's my bias. There are probably a number of people who do evolve beyond awful things they thought and did decades ago. And certainly, that one considered herself a native American, or used it for political gain, 30 years ago, seems to be an indictment long past its sell-by date.

Maybe we should put a statute of limitation on relevance of past acts? Maybe 15 years for non-violent bad behaviors? Because these gotcha attacks are just getting stupid, and they're potentially costing us decent candidates with policies worthy of debate, like Warren, while people like Trump and Richard Blumenthal are inexplicably given passes.

Sometimes, the way things were done in the past are preferable. In the past, a politician's bad acts or dumb statements could in most instances be forgotten or swept under the rug. This allowed us to have serial philanderers like JFK in office, or libertines like Charlie Wilson in Congress. Our modern day peanut gallery of internet sleuths ripping down people like Warren simply for the sheer glee of destroying her is doing no one any favors.

We need a right to be forgotten, at least for politicians, or we're even more fucked than we think.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Our modern day peanut gallery of internet sleuths ripping down people like Warren simply for the sheer glee of destroying her is doing no one any favors

No. They do it for all sorts of reason, often political.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Serious Question:

What's the expiration date, or statute of limitations, for attacking a politician for an ancient sin?

Warren's 1986 bar card is now an issue? Is this what we're going to use to evaluate her today? Even if she was lying intentionally, does this eclipse all of her policies? Her ideas are now invalid because she lied about ancestry 33 years ago?

Northam's photos are appalling, and it's impossible to defend him based on lack of judgment alone (assuming he's not racist or has evolved considerably from what he was when he posed for those photos). But let's say he was a guy like Robert Byrd, who was in the KKK, and admitted it, but disavowed it later in life and pushed anti-racist policies while a legislator. If we could go back in time, should he (and Byrd) have been denied the ability to attain office for life?

Then you have this Fairfax incident. This is an old allegation, and so far as I see, the guy has no others lodged against him, and the timing suggests Northam is using it against him. Maybe it's not the best idea to elevate what appears to be a political hit-job to the level of probably-true-accusation?

I don't think a racist or sex predator deserves much of a second chance, as I don't believe people with those issues really "evolve" very much. But that's my bias. There are probably a number of people who do evolve beyond awful things they thought and did decades ago. And certainly, that one considered herself a native American, or used it for political gain, 30 years ago, seems to be an indictment long past its sell-by date.

Maybe we should put a statute of limitation on relevance of past acts? Maybe 15 years for non-violent bad behaviors? Because these gotcha attacks are just getting stupid, and they're potentially costing us decent candidates with policies worthy of debate, like Warren, while people like Trump and Richard Blumenthal are inexplicably given passes.

Sometimes, the way things were done in the past are preferable. In the past, a politician's bad acts or dumb statements could in most instances be forgotten or swept under the rug. This allowed us to have serial philanderers like JFK in office, or libertines like Charlie Wilson in Congress. Our modern day peanut gallery of internet sleuths ripping down people like Warren simply for the sheer glee of destroying her is doing no one any favors.

We need a right to be forgotten, at least for politicians, or we're even more fucked than we think.

I know you don't Facebook, but I think you can access this without an account: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...00008083698763 If you can't, let me know and I'll cut /paste in a PM for you.

This has to do with Liam Neeson thing, but I think it comes down to "how are you today?" This particular author comes down on the side of "clearly he is appalled at his past behavior and has learned something from it" with regard to Neeson. It's going to come down to a case-by-case basis, I think. With Warren, I think she's handled this entire issue badly, and so it's going to dog her for quite some time. With Northam, he fumbled right out of the gate and hasn't recovered. We'll see what happens with the AG guy. Since he's the one bringing it forward and presumably he's seen the mess Northam made, maybe he'll be able to present it better and convince the world that that isn't him anymore.

But as the piece above says, there are a shit-ton of people out there with downright racist pasts. Republicans don't seem to care as much about whether their candidates were (or are) racist/sexist/xenophobic/etc. I would have said they have a Jesus litmus test, but, well, Trump. Democrats do. But they don't know how to handle people who evolve.

I think a lot of it goes to the fact that no one deserves to be on top. NO ONE. And for each of the "oops, I wore blackface" idiots out there, there are plenty of perfectly good replacements who not once even considered it. And often they are the very people who the idiot was marginalizing/mocking/disparaging.