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Old Today, 01:03 PM   #3571
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Huh? There's huge political upside in debating whether she is Native American. Or, more accurately, asserting she is not.

First, you don't ask whether she traded on the heritage or not. You just say she did so repeatedly until that it becomes a reality for a lot of conservatives and sympathetic independents. Second, you cite an expert like the guy from the Boston Globe who said she was only 1/64th-1/1024th Native American repeatedly until that sticks as well. Leave her to argue that 1/64th-1/1024th isn't well within a margin of error.

Trump will do the first, but is too lazy to do the second, which involves reading, numbers, and perhaps rudimentary understanding of statistics.
I meant for Warren there is no upside. I think we agree.

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But this is all academic. I'd be surprised if Warren got any traction, for quite unrelated reasons. Wall Street, banks generally, and almost all large corporations hate her. She's going to be starved of that campaign funding, while it goes to someone else, and to PACs aimed at making sure she is never the nominee. Warren has to take on both the Right and Moderate Left money machines. You might say this is indistinguishable from Bernie. I think that's incorrect. Bernie was actually getting a lot of support from the Right, which viewed him as a weaker candidate than Clinton and a weapon with which to hobble Hillary. Warren will find no such stealth allies. She'd be a true little guy vs. the corporate state candidate. That's a near unwinnable proposition.
I think you are underestimating her. Wall Street, banks generally, and large corporations do not vote in Democratic primaries. (They don't vote at all!)
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Old Today, 01:13 PM   #3572
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Old Today, 01:20 PM   #3573
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Beating Hillary in 2016 was an almost impossible wall for Bernie. 2020 dems do not have that problem- who is the accepted stakeholder? and even if she starts the outsider, fucking outsiders can win- in re Trump
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I stand corrected about Trump being too lazy to use statistics: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...debacle-thanks

And, the people who wish to preserve their advantages in the status quo (those who don’t care much about the candidate or party but worry about structural reform) aren’t going to allow another 2016 to occur. The corporate state, the establishment, whatever you call it - these people are going to throw endless cash at the task of avoiding any further progressive or populist agendas. They like Trump’s tax policies, but what they like a lot more are stability and predictability.
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And, the people who wish to preserve their advantages in the status quo (those who don’t care much about the candidate or party but worry about structural reform) aren’t going to allow another 2016 to occur. The corporate state, the establishment, whatever you call it - these people are going to throw endless cash at the task of avoiding any further progressive or populist agendas. They like Trump’s tax policies, but what they like a lot more are stability and predictability.
Could someone translate this into English for me?
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I think you are underestimating her. Wall Street, banks generally, and large corporations do not vote in Democratic primaries. (They don't vote at all!)
Maybe. But her winning would be a revolution. Trump is throwback candidate. He’s trying to wind back the clock to an old status quo. Warren seeks to totally flip the current status quo.
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Could someone translate this into English for me?
She’s the candidate most hated by those benefiting the most from our current inequitable economy.
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