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Old Yesterday, 12:57 PM   #4861
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I'd like to buy the world a shave...

this = this
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Old Yesterday, 02:01 PM   #4862
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The abnormality here isn't that the govt is shut down. That's happened quite a few times before. The abnormality is that the govt is shutdown over something that is a pure political stunt. At least in the past when it was shut down, there was a real dispute, an actual disagreement over something that was going to happen. The wall is complete fiction. From a construction standpoint it cannot be built. This dispute might as well be over whether Congress will allocate funds for Trump to build time machines.
Trump and the Republicans are taking hostages to try to get leverage to do something that is unpopular. They have done this before. Negotiating with them encourages them to do it again.

The way this should end is with a bigger deal that gives both the GOP and Democrats a win on something they care about. But the wall is about dominance for Trump, and he is too worried about being criticized by the right wing of his party.
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Old Yesterday, 04:48 PM   #4863
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One more norm violated.

Good move on her part. Fight fire with fire.

He’ll say he doesn’t care and try to do it live from Oval. Winners: Networks. Losers: Everybody else.

But this and Cohen’s testimony look to be some wild entertainment. Pathetic, but also weirdly fascinating.
Trump Fires Back. This is childish, on both sides.
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Old Yesterday, 05:28 PM   #4864
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Trump Fires Back. This is childish, on both sides.
Pelosi's move left open the possibility that they could strike a deal and Trump would then get to do his speech. No one really cares if Pelosi goes to Afghanistan -- it's just petty.
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Old Yesterday, 06:32 PM   #4865
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Trump Fires Back. This is childish, on both sides.
I guess I stand corrected. I still think it was wise to preclude him from using SOTU before Congress to grandstand and attack.
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Old Yesterday, 06:58 PM   #4866
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Trump and the Republicans are taking hostages to try to get leverage to do something that is unpopular. They have done this before. Negotiating with them encourages them to do it again.

The way this should end is with a bigger deal that gives both the GOP and Democrats a win on something they care about. But the wall is about dominance for Trump, and he is too worried about being criticized by the right wing of his party.
Agreed. But the way the immigration issue should end is with a deal for sensible reform coupled with some more robust security at borders. Everyone gets something.

$5.7 billion for a wall is a Monty Python skit. He should be mocked openly and regularly for this.
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As always, Nevada never disappoints - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b08aaf7a86b9e4
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Agreed. But the way the immigration issue should end is with a deal for sensible reform coupled with some more robust security at borders. Everyone gets something.
Yes, but Trump's minority wants to end immigration, not reform it, and they also want to stick it to the libs, so there is no deal they can accept.
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Yes, but Trump's minority wants to end immigration, not reform it, and they also want to stick it to the libs, so there is no deal they can accept.
Agreed. But politics has a finish line. This nonsense has to end for economic reasons. You’ve had your fun, Donald. Now capitulate, and Nancy, give him a face-saving exit.
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Agreed. But politics has a finish line. This nonsense has to end for economic reasons. You’ve had your fun, Donald. Now capitulate, and Nancy, give him a face-saving exit.
Forgive me if I'm repeating myself, but if they can cut a quick deal, the Donald can do the SOTU on the original date and say that Nancy backed down on that.
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