Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

And if you think there's "something" there that will involve Putin having colluded directly with Trump, you're nuts.

This is a nice tactic, where you minimize your denials down to the bare minimum each time. Fun.

We already know there was a significant Russian effort to influence the election. We already know that the campaign chair, Trump's eldest son and son-in-law had direct contact with it. If you think Tump wasn't told, you're nuts.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I wasn't making that distinction. Put away the blue pencil.

I still do not think you understand the point he was making.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The Interim is just getting started.

The Interim's been happening since the 18th century.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Yup. Allow immigrants to innovate in the depressed areas of the country and you'll see growth. Real growth.

I'd start a program to grant not only entry to skilled immigrants, but to also give them incentives (tax abatements, tax incentives, financing for businesses... hell, free property!) to move into depressed regions.

But we both know, a lot of smart immigrants are going to look at depressed areas and, even with all sorts of incentives, they're going to instead opt to live in developed areas with already thriving markets for their skills. And I don't know how anyone could force them to live in depressed areas as a condition of entry. That's both unconstitutional and generally repugnant.

Don't make too many assumptions here. Chobani started in the Otsego, NY area and then expanded into Idaho, and has attracted a lot of immigrants who are coming from rural places and comfortable in rural places. I've worked with people doing tech businesses in places like Northern Florida, Northern Ontario, Alabama, Utah, and Eastern Washington, and know tech immigrants who have moved to all parts of the US and enjoyed it. The largest trade group that targets immigrant entrepreneurs, The IndUS Entrepreneurs, has chapters in places like Ohio and Tampa and Pittsburgh, all off the beaten tech path. And if you look at the MIT student population, the immigrants among the students are probably a significantly more rural group than the Americans in terms of origin. But if you look at why North Florida gets a big immigrant entrepreneurial community, in Gainesville and Jacksonville and Orlando, while Morgantown gets next to none, the difference is UFlorida v. WVU and the welcomingness of the Floridians versus the West Virginians.

Yes, there are people who will gravitate towards SV and Boston regardless of what you do. But a lot of getting immigrant entrepreneurs to move elsewhere is the difference between whether the welcoming committee wants to try their food or burn down their temple.

But the rural parts of the country, like the urban parts, were originally settled by immigrants, and can just as easily be a home for them.

[Adder]

Some reading for Sebby.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You and me, having this conversation. Hell, this entire board... If you think we're the rule, and not exceptions - in several essential regards - I want what you're smoking.

I say this not to kiss anyone's ass, but the conversations here - even the sillier commentaries - are exceptional in comparison to General Main Street America to an extent I'm not sure we can even fathom.

I'll go out on a limb here and suggest I see more Kardashians Watchers and 'Muricans than you do on a regular basis. The slice of people into which you fall is many multiples thinner than you think. That you are paying the bills isn't proof the Luddites had it wrong. It's proof you fall into the upper 30% of society that has a marketable skill set.

You're about as "typical American" are you are female.

I didn't say I was a typical American. It seems pretty obvious to me that at any point in time, there are both people who are enjoying the benefits of living and working in areas that are benefiting from economic change, and people who aren't. I get that not everyone is the former. I don't get why you like to pretend that the former doesn't exist.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I didn't say I was a typical American. It seems pretty obvious to me that at any point in time, there are both people who are enjoying the benefits of living and working in areas that are benefiting from economic change, and people who aren't. I get that not everyone is the former. I don't get why you like to pretend that the former doesn't exist.

The former is 30% of the country. I've acknowledged that endlessly.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

The Interim's been happening since the 18th century.

No analogue of Moore's law applied in the 18th century.

[LessinSF]

But I don't think I want to live to be 90 - http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifest...220-story.html

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

But I don't think I want to live to be 90 - http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifest...220-story.html

What if one works out hard in the day, then drinks heavily? Live to be 100?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

What if one works out hard in the day, then drinks heavily? Live to be 100?

I don't get how I can drink all day in Mexico, for three or four days straight, and not feel hungover the next day...yet if I have two martinis after 8 pm at the local I feel like crap the next day.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

I don't get how I can drink all day in Mexico, for three or four days straight, and not feel hungover the next day...yet if I have two martinis after 8 pm at the local I feel like crap the next day.

Because they are watering your booze?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

So I used "He can suck all the dicks" during a meeting last week.

I know it's not yours. But thank you. Yes, it's obvious. But still, so effective.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

I don't get how I can drink all day in Mexico, for three or four days straight, and not feel hungover the next day...yet if I have two martinis after 8 pm at the local I feel like crap the next day.

When home do you drink every night? I think the trick is to do so, so a bit ragged becomes baseline.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

When home do you drink every night? I think the trick is to do so, so a bit ragged becomes baseline.

And the voice gets more sexy over time.